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Old 19 May 2009, 18:54   #11
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I tend to agree with Grasshopper and codprawn on the drysuits vs lifejacket issue - ie that I don't wear a LJ 99% of the time I'm in a RIB because for the same 99% of the time I'm wearing a drysuit.


It'll obviously be informative to hear whatever further details emerge about the accident in due course. I'm sure we can all generate our own scenario on the facts available, but it'd just be speculation and doesnt make it any less tragic.

I know it's a bit of speculation but all the information to date points to head injuries being the main problem so I can't see the wearing of lifejackets being a major mitigating issue irrespective of the powers that be likely making an issue of this.

But, as you say, so tragic for the families involved.
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Old 19 May 2009, 19:06   #12
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While I agree there is no absolute right answer on drysuits/lifejackets I would point out one pertinent fact from a recent local incident.

Survival time in the water is of secondary importance to not actually drowning within the first few minutes. Once you are safely OK floating on the surface and breathing the next priority then becomes exposure and not dying from hypothermia!
Incidentally folk HAVE drowned in drysuits when inverted.......

I think pushing lifejackets as a reasonable safety measure on small boats is policy for MCA for good reason rather than of use or help in this particular incident. they probably push it for everything from crashing the car on the way to the marina to sinking off Iceland in a F8.............
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Old 19 May 2009, 19:28   #13
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Lifejackets and drysuits?

They hit an island doing a rate of knots in the dark. Head injuries all round. The only equipment that might have helped was harnesses, helmets and airbags. Seriously guys! A lifejackets and drysuit debate?
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Old 19 May 2009, 21:24   #14
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Just a thought folks...

Being a contributor to a number of diving-related forums, where fatalities are often reported, it is common practise to refrain from debating the details of the accident in a public forum out of respect for the family of the deceased. This is especially true when the circumstances are largely unknown.

Once all of the facts are in, there will be time to discuss and debate ad nauseum...

Just my $0.02 worth!
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Old 19 May 2009, 23:08   #15
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Shouldn't be having any debate about lifejackets, they should be worn

Nobody gets on my boat without a lifejacket n et on!! I love drysuits they keep me dry and warm sometimes,

I understand that they won't stop a head injury
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Old 20 May 2009, 01:00   #16
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Just for clarity, wearing a life jacket in a boat is always going to be good idea. It wasn’t my intention to start a debate on life jacket versus drysuits but more in defence of the comment on a government web site that they were not wearing life jackets. This is from an organisation who’s own chief executive has advocated that flares have had their day.

On the subject of drysuits my suit is neoprene which is inherently buoyant if there is air trapped in the suit or not with a membrane suit the buoyancy relies on the trapped air which can escape and migrate around the suit both of which is not good.
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I think Stoo makes a fair point about debating such subjects based on experience on other forums. I will refrain from doing this in the future until the full report is available
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Old 20 May 2009, 03:51   #18
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Thread drift here, but on the subject of dry suits, has anyone been in that situation first hand - with air holding your feet above the water? How did you recover? I remember the horror stories when dry suits were first coming in, and speculation about releasing air from the ankle seals to recover, but that was all hearsay not first hand experience or serious advice. (Mine has full socks in any case)
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Being a contributor to a number of diving-related forums, where fatalities are often reported, it is common practise to refrain from debating the details of the accident in a public forum out of respect for the family of the deceased. This is especially true when the circumstances are largely unknown.

Once all of the facts are in, there will be time to discuss and debate ad nauseum...

Just my $0.02 worth!

What he said.
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More information on the accident...

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1223515
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