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Old 28 October 2009, 04:28   #51
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If I remember correctly, when I provided assitance to a yacht off Cardiff I was request by the CG to "Make all speed". Not sure if offically it relaxed the rules on the outer harbour speed limit but I didn't get any complaints from Barrage control.

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Once again I would ask if they knew where you were and in a speed restricted area? I'm guessing from your reply they didn't?
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Once again I would ask if they knew where you were and in a speed restricted area? I'm guessing from your reply they didn't?
They knew I was in the process of Locking out, so I hope they would know there is a level of restriction.

Admittedly the outer harbour only consists of about 100-200 metres and purely from a common sense point of view, gunning it out, straight into an on coming vessel would be stupid, so driving at a speed that met the conditions and location, but making the best possible speed seemed appropriate.

Additionally when providing safety cover on the Thames the PLA specify that any speed limits can only be exceeded in a rescue situation where the speed is appropriate to the situation and safe.
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They knew I was in the process of Locking out, so I hope they would know there is a level of restriction.

Admittedly the outer harbour only consists of about 100-200 metres and purely from a common sense point of view, gunning it out, straight into an on coming vessel would be stupid, so driving at a speed that met the conditions and location, but making the best possible speed seemed appropriate.

Additionally when providing safety cover on the Thames the PLA specify that any speed limits can only be exceeded in a rescue situation where the speed is appropriate to the situation and safe.
Maybe I should ask the question a different way ......... how many people think that when answering a distress call it entitles you to make whatever speed you want in a harbour?

Whilst a small Rib may not make much wake how do you differentiate between small Ribs and larger boats?
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I think it seems reasonable that a responding craft should make the greatest speed that "the skipper deems reasonable" under the circumstances you outline. Safetly should be the bottom line, both of the harbour users, the crew of the responding craft and that of the crew on the boat needing assistance. I wouldn't get too stressed about a couple of old buffers having their GnTs splashed.
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Maybe I should ask the question a different way ......... how many people think that when answering a distress call it entitles you to make whatever speed you want in a harbour?

Whilst a small Rib may not make much wake how do you differentiate between small Ribs and larger boats?
Depends on what you know about the situation, how well you know the harbour & judgement of impact of speed. All down to the specific situation .

In my situation CG tasked 2 lifeboats & asked me to attend as they knew nothing about numbers etc & later told me they assume the worst in these situations - hence afterwards it seemed like overkill.
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Maybe I should ask the question a different way ......... how many people think that when answering a distress call it entitles you to make whatever speed you want in a harbour?

Whilst a small Rib may not make much wake how do you differentiate between small Ribs and larger boats?
Cookee - I think there is a fine balancing act, just as there is on the road when an ambulance or fire engine is responding to a shout. If there is a genuine reason to believe that life is in immediate danger (i.e. the probability of a positive outcome is significantly enhanced by the time saving) then yes exceeding the speed limit is justified. However that does not necessarily mean that there is no sensible upper speed - which would be determined by conditions, traffic, type of vessel,experience of the skipper, local knowledge etc.
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