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Old 23 September 2002, 14:05   #11
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when they dont see the first white flare, fire them at the bridge, that usually wakes them up!!!!
Yessssssss, now THAT I like.

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Old 23 September 2002, 15:23   #12
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Thanks for all your replies..

The 4 hand-held flares and two parachute flares sounds good, especially with the 5 mini flares.

Not sure about the collision flares. Do you really think they are necessary on a 4.7m RIB?

Shame about mail order, I live in about the worst place to buy anything nautical!

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Old 23 September 2002, 15:28   #13
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Daniel,

My justification for the white flares is that one day i might break down in the middle of a shipping channel - then they woudl be really useful! Yes i know i have a VHF, an aux engine, i should not be that close in the first place etc. etc. BUT they were only a tenner each.

Mind you, maybe you'r aux is bigger than mine or you can paddle very quickly!

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I guess for another 20 its probably worth it, as long as they all fit in the same bottle.

I've got a birthday coming up soon, might start dropping some hints. Not the most exciting present but never mind.

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I would suggest that you don't bother with a coastal kit, but go for the offshore kit which is recommended for voyages more than 7 miles from shore (which isn't far in a RIB!).

This contains:

4 x Red Handflares
4 x Red Parachute Rockets
2 x Floating smokes

It's not a bad idea to have a mini flare pack per person in drysuit pockets too.

White flares are a waste of time IMHO, as the only time you'd need them is if you happen to break down right in the path of a ship and couldn't get out of the way. This is pretty unlikely (less so for sailing boats), and the chances of a flare being seen in these circumstances is pretty unlikely too!

In any case, if you were to really find yourself in that situation it would be just as well to let loose everything in your armoury, whatever colour. At least someone would come looking for you after you've been run down . . .

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Birthday... how i got my flares 6 months ago!

Just looked @ your web site Daniel - quite scary really, not content with stealing my name you steel my interest (boating) then my hobby (electronics) and then want to go to uni and study for my degree (finished BEng (Electrical, Electronic and Computer Engineering) last year - currently writing a masters report!)

Wow!

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The answer

surely you wait for bonfire night to dispose of old flares ???

love the previous advice in this thread.......

" dont fire flares at helicopters trying to help you "

how hacked off would they be, as they approach to rescue you, what do you do, you bl**dy well shoot them down !!!!

Not good, good point to remember though.......LOL
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Blimey, that is scary... Congrats on the BEng.. Long time before i get there.

Why didn't I get the flares at the boatshow!! Offshore pack is a rather large 137! Know anywhere cheaper?

Do you think the second helicopter sent to rescue the first would pick you up?

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Old 23 September 2002, 17:04   #19
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Hi Folks

We use keep our flares for a couple of extra years, always have in date ones but the old ones we still keep.
They may or maynot work but we find when we use then (see later) most do work.

What flares you carry depends on what else you carry we think.
A VHF or EPIRB is worth a lot of flares, but what we carry is (or used to and will carry when new RIB arrives ) is

1 VHF with DSC
1 406Mhz EPIRB
2 Para Flares
4 hand held red
4 hand held white
2 hand held smoke

Plus a few slightly out of date ones

While we carry white I agree with John but see them as a means if giving your position, red or white if close buy and searching I think a helecopter or lifeboat would still come to have a look.

I am not sure about floating smokes in a RIB, even in the water they get very hot and you may have problems if they drift into the tubes!.

As far as disposing of the hand held flares, we wait till bonfire night then give than to the wife, and even the older kid to set off.
It was supprising first time we did this how long it took for them to sus them out and i would rather do this in the garden on bonfire night than and disabled RIB with a ferry approching at 20Kts !!.

I would never recomend setting para flares of thouh even on bonfire night.

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Just been looking at the Marine Safety Agency web site and thought this quite relevant. Half way down someone convicted for setting off a flare. A bit further down is that gin palace that hit the break water at Portland, how I have no idea, not exactly a small piece of concrete.

http://www.mcagency.org.uk/news/prosecutions/index.htm
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