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Old 08 September 2011, 16:03   #11
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So can I do it then when I'm on me way home and me ice cream's meltin'?
If you are driving an "Emergency Vehicle" and responding to an "Emergency" as defined in the regs technically yes!

But I suspect a "private car" and "ice cream melting" don't satisfy either of these.
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"But I suspect a "private car" and and "ice cream melting" satisfy either of these."

So that's a "yes" then?
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"But I suspect a "private car" and and "ice cream melting" satisfy either of these."

So that's a "yes" then?


errrr yes - before my edit anyway! oops!
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Willk,

As others have said this affects all sorts of volunteer rescue / emergency personnel. E.g. lifeboat crew on way to a shout, retained fire fighters, ambulance first responders, mountain rescue teams, volunteer coastguard etc - at least until they get to their rendezvous point and get in an official vehicle. I think they could possibly argue the case that their official vehicle is actually being used for "police purposes", since I assume that the PSNI have the statutory duty to respond to persons in danger in fresh water in NI as they do here.

Whilst I can see why they want them on personal vehicles when responding to a "shout", I don't think it would be an easy decision for me to make if I was in the legislature. I've seen some "interesting" driving by both police and ambulance crews under blue lights as well as some ropey panic responses from the public, and this is from vehicles which are extremely well marked and visible, and with trained emergency service drivers who do it every day. An "amateur" in a poorly marked vehicle, with a less experienced driver possibly with the adrenaline rush of a shout seems risky to me. Which is better? Save the life of the person who possibly jumped in the river or hit the mother with the pram on the way to the call? At some point that sort of scenario is bound to arise.
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Willk,, since I assume that the PSNI have the statutory duty to respond to persons in danger in fresh water in NI as they do here.
A possible marketing oppo. Do you do Salinity Test kits, Polwart?
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A possible marketing oppo. Do you do Salinity Test kits, Polwart?
Ah, well I could probably make them one which would tell them what they want! But I might be better investing my time in some geography lessons.
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Certain police forces seem to take the view more stringent than others ,though the law changed on blue light regs a couple of years back ,as far as i know the vehicle now has to be a dedicated emergency vehicle regestered with the local council,and the light has to be fixed.
the regs also cover retro reflective tape colours ,also blue flashing lights even on private land is a grey area if it can be seen from the public highway .

blue lights and sirens were an issue a while back ,
the driver of a Fire engine was charged with manslaughter when he sounded the horn at some cows blocking a country lane the cows bolted killing the farmer .
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nes-siren.html
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Two tone horns and sirens have been an issue a short while back as the driver of a Fire engine was convicted of manslaughter when he sounded the horn at some cows blocking a country lane the cows bolted killing the farmer .
Actually he admitted the lesser charge of causing death by careless driving.
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Actually he admitted the lesser charge of causing death by careless driving.
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I would have thought the solution is a green light.

They are used by medical personnel who are attending a life threatening emergency, common on doctor's and midwife's cars which are privately owned.

However, the real pain is insurance.

Edit: Actually that might be a load of tosh, I do not think the boat crews meet the definition of green light users either.
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