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Old 06 September 2005, 17:16   #21
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If we bid, win and obviously don't pay. He gets clobbered for the commision charge regardless. It happened to me, A girl bought a 1250 sailing dinghy from me, didn't pay and I got caught for 68 worth of Ebay fees!! So on a 1000 outboard ,He'd be hit for approx 55. It's interesting to hear other's experiences with Ebay. They're monopolistic shite!
Not sure you understand here- He's using a stolen account. He can only use it for one 'block' of auctions and then it'll be sussed. It's not in his name anyway,so why should he bother paying the fees? It's not like Ebay have an address they can find him at...
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Old 06 September 2005, 17:23   #22
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He's using server-based webmail for email so all you'll get is the server IP.
I don't know specifically about Yahoo, but most web based email IS traceable
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This guy is CLEVER-and if anyone DOES get his IP then unless you know how to make your IP completely untraceable DON'T try and hack him-he's clever enough to use an exploit on Ebay's own front page. Expect trouble if you try it.
He's can't be THAT clever though. It's easy enough to change your IP address periodically (or after doing something that may expose you to risk). And firewalls are fairly difficult to penetrate - most people are at risk because their firewalls have more holes than a gorgonzola cheese!
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It's easy enough to change your IP address periodically
If anybody wants to disguise their ip address all they need to do is dial the internet by one of the many 1p / minute service providers and start the number with 141 to with hold your phone number - you will be assigned a dynamic ip address from a pool and will be completely untracable (well without a police warrent to pull your phone records anyway)

If i was going to be doing anything dodgy thats what i would do
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There's other ways-but that's not the point. Hacking the guy assumes someone can get his IP-and I don't think he's stupid enough to let that happen.
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Not sure you understand here- He's using a stolen account. He can only use it for one 'block' of auctions and then it'll be sussed. It's not in his name anyway,so why should he bother paying the fees? It's not like Ebay have an address they can find him at...
In order to get any money from this scam he has to have an account of some discription. Sales will be credited. Ebay fees debited. Ebay (like the taxman) will grab their bit before he gets his.
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start the number with 141 to with hold your phone number - you will be assigned a dynamic ip address from a pool and will be completely untracable (well without a police warrent to pull your phone records anyway)

If i was going to be doing anything dodgy thats what i would do
Works without the 141 as well, that just obsfurcates you from the dial-up logs.
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In order to get any money from this scam he has to have an account of some discription. Sales will be credited. Ebay fees debited. Ebay (like the taxman) will grab their bit before he gets his.
IT's SOMEONE ELSES ACCOUNT. It'll still be linked to the original owners fee payment methods. He only has to get away with it for a few days remember...I very much doubt the account holder has noticed it's been hacked yet!

Ebay can't grab anything from the guy without authorisation of some kind anyway.
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RIGHT...for those not sure how he's doing the scam, here it is.

1)He spams a load of phishing emails using addresses collected from a 'harvester' of published email addys and people fall for it, giving him their ebay ID and password-and if he's lucky their bank details so he has somewhere to get the scammed funds deposited. As long as the ebay accounts he steals are seller accounts that's all he needs to start listing.All the fees incurred by his listing and final value fees will get billed to the poor sod he nicked the account from-but not til the account's next invoice date-by which time he's long gone.

2)He uses a stolen account to set up listings with the same type of item,payment method and text style as he'll use to scam people. He gains positive feedback by using "buy it now" auctions and 'buys' his own scam items with different stolen accounts. This is to inspire confidence in the way he wants to be paid. Those that DO look a little harder will see the consistency that he wants to set them at ease.

3) He only leaves feedback for the account he's going to commit the main scam from-so the owners of the other accounts don't notice their feedback is going up. How many of you last looked at your own 'feedback left for others' page?

4)The accounts he uses to list the scams from are all accounts that have had no buying/selling feedback left in the last 3 months so he can assume that they aren't in use. He changes the email addresses for these accounts so that any questions,details and notifications are sent to him on an email address he's set up specifically for that scam alone.

5)When the auction ends he is automatically given the email address for the winning bidder. He contacts them with his scam payment method and stolen bank account details directly-not through ebay's system so ebay can't track it. I'd like to bet he tries using a brute force password cracker to try and hack the paypal account for that email if there is one.

5a)When the auction ends he sends second chance offers to all bidders to maximise his scam.

6) As soon as you transfer into his stolen bank account you've shit out-he's got your money and he's not in the UK so there ain't a lot you can do...Not sure how he actually collects the cash but by that time it's too late anyway.

Quite clever isn't he...
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So as an Ebay account holder what can I do to make sure he's not surfing on my credentials. Can it be secure?
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I asked if I could view the engine via 'ask the seller a question ' within 24 hours I had an email that appered to be from Paypal advising I had received and instant payment of 20 from John Smith to my account . As I am selling a few items I assumed it was from one of my buyers . By chance I had my Paypal account open on another page so did not 'click' on the link . Of course there was no payment and I realised then that the Email was a spoof and had I clicked on the link and signed in via that route he would have got my password etc. Close shave so watch out !
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