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Old 07 March 2003, 15:53   #41
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This is going nowhere as the miniute anybody finds a realy cheap source of engines or boats and gear.

They will say Hay, Mutley lets make some proffit out of this?Just like you have demonstrated already Bilge Rat.

And your back to where we all started from.

The only real angle I can think of is in supplying engines and bits through a trade cooperative type thingy? What I am suggesting that we pool our resources and consider through JK a membership of a rib net trade club,where we can buy at trade with maybe an overider for the ball ache of admin.I get trade and have an account but dont use it for buisness, so anybody who wants to use it can do,providing they pay there bills.
I personaly feel there is some milleage in JK opperating one for rib net users and we would pay an agreed membership to JK for the privalige of trade discounts on gear and a one off payment for the setting up and administration of it all.

So JK what do you think?

And Manos you can supply the engines at trade if you want too,as long as your prices are on the bone .
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Old 07 March 2003, 16:02   #42
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...........avenues open, go abroad for your goods ...... .......... but do we actually know what we are buying and will the build quality stand up to the British coast beating the crap out of it, so most of us tend to stick with what we know best and choose UK builders because we know they build boats for the conditions here.

But when it comes to engines its a different matter.......... why are we paying almost double for new engines.

.............. its not really the cost of the boat or the tubes, its the cost of the engines you choose to attach at the back.

So Manos start importing those engines and i'll open an outlet and sell them for you
1. Going abroad: You make a fair point. I would think though that RIBs build in SAfrica where the sea conditions are much worst than what we know in the UK RIBs would be very built must stronger than in Europe and would be more durable (and may be better than those built in the UK. See GEMINI, RIBEYE, FALCON, HYSUCAT, etc, etc Now I will have every body else who has UK built RIBs attacking me. That means MOST of the Forum members LOLOL )

2. Engine Costs: In Europe more or less the price of the engines are similar give or take 200-300. In SAfrica (for a reason unknown to me yet) engines are deffinately cheaper ranging from 5,000 for the larger ones to 2000 for the smaller sizes. The only problem is whether the franchises in Europe will support the guarantee. I know that although they SHOULD the gready b***s refuse to even look at the engine if is under guarantee. But have to give credit to Yamaha in Greece that they serviced my engine for the 1st service free of charge as per guarantee!!! and it was bought in SAfrica

3. I think that if I started to sell RIBs and engines as a business it will take the fun out of it. Right now is fun, meeting new friends, talking about the boats, get the RIB shorted, go for a ride, have a few beers and make no money. If it goes the other way it will be dull.
But thanks for the thought and the offer will take you up sometime.
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Old 07 March 2003, 16:18   #43
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Bilge Rat this thread is about The cost of building ribs not just purchasing outboard engines as this is only one aspect ,that can be dealt with quite easily in comparison to the other.There are also a lot more options than the two you have suggested

It is a presumption of yours to think that people on rib net think that other countries cant produce boats that will withstand U.K conditions as well as Uk boats.

There are indeed great british boats, but also as with all things there are some bad ones too, its a big world out there.

I feel the same as you Manos that it is fun and friendship that are the most important things.If there is no real take up on the offer of sorting a trade club out then it proves my feelings that there is enough interest to moan, but not enough action when it comes down to doing something about it.

Hence we pay the price.

Enjoy it for what it is.


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Old 07 March 2003, 16:27   #44
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A great Hobby
That is EXACTLY what it is!!

The best hobby ever!!
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Old 07 March 2003, 16:38   #45
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Just to compare, how much could you get a new 90 HP honda 4 stroke for in either SA or Greece ?
I believe they are GBP 6800 in UK which I presume includes controls and standard instruments.
In SAfrica a Yamaha 100BETOL with full controls etc is less than 4,000.00.
Re Dry suit never got your email. My email box was full while I was out of the country and poss your email it was bounced.
I'll get you the details.
I am sincerely Sorry that I forgot.
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Old 07 March 2003, 17:15   #46
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Manos

do you know of any SA outboard dealers with website presence which we could play around looking at prices in local Rand ?

It is staggering if they are that much cheaper, could be a good option for future especially if I sell my rib, may even look at getting some prices on Falcon range !

Details of drysuit would be very much appreciated

have a look at prices on this US site:

http://www.boats.net/cgi-local/listi...e=list&HP=90.0


Cheers

ps what is a 100 betol ? looked at the yam website , can only see 90 & 115 options, is it a 4 stroke ?
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Old 07 March 2003, 18:21   #47
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Good luck matiboy see http://www.emarine.co.za/:)

Get some refrences first,before parting with any dosh,Maybe speake too yam/honda sa for a recomendation on dealer.
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DIY ing

Manos, you are way off with your comments. I'm just finishing my build of a trailer for my 8.5mtr. So far it's cost me about 1400 and none of the materials have come from boating sources. The steel has been bought at normal trade prices from metal stockholders. The trailer fittings are sourced also at trade prices. The galvanising is yet to be done and it will be several hundred pounds.
I note you have a stainless steel galvanised trailer. That's clever, stainless doesn't galvanise.
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Old 08 March 2003, 03:25   #49
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you have a stainless steel galvanised trailer. That's clever, stainless doesn't galvanise.
Is exactly how I got it from the suppliers. If is not steinless steal it should be steal then.
What's the problem??
1,500 for a trailer is a lot of money. Mine cost just less than 600 (or near abouts) delivered.
I have the invoices and DOT road worthiness aproval documet if you want to have a look!
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Old 08 March 2003, 03:30   #50
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ps what is a 100 betol ? looked at the yam website , can only see 90 & 115 options, is it a 4 stroke ?
I made a spelling mistake the engine type is F100BETL
Is a Yamaha 4-stroke 100 bhp.

and you are very wellcome to contact FALCON if you like. They are all nice guys and will give you any help you want!!

In general however when you do any business with SAfrican companies you should double check them about thir reliability and credit worthiness so you don't lose your money.

Reputable compnaies like HYSUCAT, MACO, GEMINI, FALCON you can deal with without any problem what so ever. However, for any one else you don't know you better be very carefull.
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