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Old 07 March 2003, 10:38   #21
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Hi Manos

They are some very cheap prices there, A trailer over here for a 10mtr boat would be 5k on its own, And consoles are at least 400, Seats minimum 400 each etc sounds like we need to go shopping in greece

Have a good weekend

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Old 07 March 2003, 10:39   #22
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Have to agree with Alan and Matiboy as its all about supply and demand, if you have the skills, moulds and materials to hand you could probably build a rib at cost and have it tubed by a proffesional company, have Manos import a outboard from SA and you get yourself a boat at cost, but what do we really term as cost. Manos has carefully added together the total material costs for building a boat which may be accurate or not but he hasn't added in the labour costs (yes remember those untold hours up to your arm pits in gel coat and resin).
Now not currently owning a boat of my own (soon to be rectified i hope) and having looked and watched the conversations on this site for some time learning what and what not to buy or do and now having tried out lots of boats and speaking to various manufacturers i feel ready to buy my own boat,but the thought of spending so much on an engine does horrify me, could we not set up our own import business (with Manos's help) and import cheaper engines exactly the same as you can buy here into the UK and sell them cheaper, which i might add is exactly what internet car sales companys have done and thus force the big boys to drop there prices, just think for a second, if i can sell you a Honda 90 4 stroke for 3 or 4k instead of 7 or 8k and its exactly the same as you'd buy here where would you be going to buy it, i know what i'd do, then suddenly the price of your new boat has dropped down 3k.

Some time ago i asked Manos to price me up a 5.5 metre boat with nav light, A frame, two man centre consul and 90hp engine, trailer and i think he also threw in a cover to into the deal, he came back with a price new 7.5k for a Falcon 5.5m with Yam 90 4 stroke +import tax of course, so for around 10k you get a new spot on boat, now log onto the ribcraft page and have a look at there price list for packages, well it scared me anyway, if it matters to anyone i actually really like Ribcraft boats having driven and played with a few of them and would really love to own my own one but the prices scare me.

Ok sorry guys thought it was time to say my piece.
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Old 07 March 2003, 11:11   #23
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Julian

For your infor the trailer material pricing is about 7-8/mtr.
In the trailer I quoted is 4-wheels but it does not include brakes where you have to add another 150-200 for SS disks with carbon fibre brakes.

If you EVER spent 5K for a trailer you have my sincerely condolences!!

You were DONE!!!
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Old 07 March 2003, 11:13   #24
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The questions here is

1. how much is labour cost??
2. how many man hours you need to fully finish a 10 mtr RIB?

I have asked around and from what I hear it shouldn't add that much on the total price may be 20-25% more or so.

But then again I may have been missinformed
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Old 07 March 2003, 11:18   #25
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So producing charts at supposed costs is a waste of time as nobodys is going to give you one at that price becouse thay dont like you enough.Its buisness.
I am affraid my dear friend I will prove you wrong here as I got an ACTUAL quote (rather than a hypothetical) for a 9.50mtrs (with SS galvanised Trailer at 950- may I add) cabin RIB for similar prices as those that I have posted.

When I finish the deal I will let everyone know from where and how much.

But I aint paying 150K for it. That's for sure
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Old 07 March 2003, 11:29   #26
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I'm affraid we have paid thousands in the past for trailers, not any more though as the boat is dry berthed in Lymington. Chris strickland paid 6k for one with air brakes a few years back. All trailers over here are around that sort of money. Thats life though. I believe most boat builders charge about 30 pounds and hour when they are building the boat and there are a hell of a lot of hours of work put into it.

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Old 07 March 2003, 11:41   #27
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Im looking forward to seeing your 9.5 mtr cabin rib for 18k without engines and inc trailer and cover, Manos it will be a Hoot.
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Old 07 March 2003, 11:43   #28
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Chris strickland paid 6k for one with air brakes a few years back. ...........I believe most boat builders charge about 30 pounds and hour.......
Fisrt things first

1. Trailer with airbrakes may be you are right I cannot comment. I only use SS disks with pads. Airbrakes toooooo expenssive. But if you ever need a trailer again will let you know where you get them cheap. Shall I start importing trailers in the UK?? That's a thought!! LOLOL

2. 30.00/hr is a hell of a lot of money i.e. Euro 48.00 or USD 47.00 that is A HELL OF A LOT !!!
I do not suppose that these gentlemen pay semi-skilled labour (you do not need to have MScs and Phds to glue a boat) 20.00 or even 15.00/hr??

In conclusion this is where all the profit is made on the per hour charge by the builders.

I think we came to the bottom of it ...........or not??
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Old 07 March 2003, 11:47   #29
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Manos it will be a Hoot.
Just you wait.
You know what is going on any way so I think in a years time or so it will get here (eventually) LOLOL for about including 2x200 VMax HPDIs, transportation and VAT 35,000.00 ...... on a trailer and with a hood I may add to that.

Not bad Eh??
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Hay Manos mi old matee,I see that old europe, rip off problem has come back again.?
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