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Old 10 March 2003, 05:54   #91
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Oh, forgot to say that he has some yam 200 carb motors for £6,000 incl vat. Not the most econominal motor you can buy but £2,500 buys a lot of petrol!

If any one would like to know who the dealer is pm me, and unlike a certain "marine consultant", I don't charge for this info
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Old 10 March 2003, 06:02   #92
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Sounds about right Dirk. I bought a 150opti back in 2001 for £7500 incl vat, prop, control box and smart-guages. Think it also included rigging for that matter. This was through TL Harvey in the West Mids whom I can't recommend highly enough.

I personally wouldnt buy a carb engine at any price. Resale will be a bitch with these things in years to come!
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Old 10 March 2003, 06:06   #93
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Giggler,
Why don't you just tell em it's Barnett marine?


P.S. I won't charge either!
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Old 10 March 2003, 06:11   #94
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On a lighter note, what ever happened to Jordan?
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Old 10 March 2003, 06:29   #95
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Merc 200 longshaft opti, £ 8,500 including vat
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Sounds good to me, I am blessed with a VAT free status so for £7,055.00 I would have a new Merc Opti 200 - Bargain!
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Old 10 March 2003, 06:35   #96
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Sounds good to me, I am blessed with a VAT free status so for £7,055.00 I would have a new Merc Opti 200 - Bargain!
So will you be ordering a brace for the back of your Scorpion then?
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Here is what I think I have learned so far.

1. RIBS may be expensive, but there seem to be good reasons for it. If it takes 700 hours at say £30ph, for example, to build a 10m RIB, that’s 20-25k Sterling already on top of your material costs.
2. It seems that if you take the either the trade price and add profit and tax, you end up with the price you and I have to pay anyway (viz. the £5k (JF) versus £9k (me) for a tube set.)
3. Buying parts cheaper in other countries. There are several points here regarding quality of workmanship, freight, duty and taxes etc. for non-global brand products, which may cause one to hesitate. On global brands like engines, I have some experience here. It is normal in a market, like the EU for example, to cause to be set, either a single price OR, to set barriers to stop cross-border trading and “undermining” your other resellers (warranty support on engines is a typical example). This becomes more important and more emphatically imposed, the larger and more powerful the manufacturer. If you didn’t impose this control, arbitrage traders would quickly ruin your reseller network. I am not surprised that Manos has had some difficulty here. The only place likely to be able to temporarily beat this is in the USA where the laws are tough, traders are smart and the market large enough to permit some product “leakage” abroad. Be very aware though, that should this leakage turn to a flood, STEPS WILL BE TAKEN to stop it!
4. What should a small specialist, quality RIB builders margin be anyway? The guy deserves a reasonable living and ROI doesn’t he?

So, in conclusion, RIBs may be expensive, but are they value for money?
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Well done Brian, that says it all very well! now lets get on with our normal lives bickering about even less important things LOL
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Old 10 March 2003, 07:53   #99
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Lastly, I think that most of us here are trying ti make a discussion about how mto get a better deal with our product i.e. the RIB and engine.
The point is not to argue for the sake of but to constructively put down our thoughts.
Many of us gave their valued opinions, VERY FEW contributed very little to nothing to this discussion.

Brian makes some VERY VALUABLE points whith which I agree also some others made some good points too.

The bottom line once again is that if is there any possibility in getting a product (with the same quqlity as you may get it in Europe) somewhere else at a lesser prices then go for it.

So far it seems to me that there are other places where products are cheaper.

Going out to do a few bits and bobs on my RIB.
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Falcon 750 console with front seat 3112
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Perspex screen for console 560
GRP box seat with reversible backrest, upholstered2158
Ski-bar (316 stainless steel) 2140
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Steering system complete (cable) 2050
Control cables* 750
Built-in 70-litre plastic fuel cell with instrumentation4250
Deep cycle battery, box & marine terminals* 550
Galvanized Trailer complete with 14" wheels 11791
Boat Total R 59,898

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Yamaha F100BETL (Four-stroke, power trim) 66000
Yamaha F115AETL (Four-stroke, power trim) 76700
* Prices quoted are inclusive of VAT at 14%.
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Shipping inclusive of all costs would be ZAR 16000
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