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Old 09 December 2002, 19:11   #41
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."if in the future anybody wants any help from somebody who nearly lost a lot of money by buying the wrong rib then feel free to ask.

Hope I don't get loads of your calls on this one

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Old 09 December 2002, 19:43   #42
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Flanker I agree with you about the T brand (is this a first)

Keith I had you a little higher up the list than an et cettera (just a little)

Crazyhorse I wasn't actually having a go at you and I am interested in what you are doing and wish you all success, please can I help with the sea trials?

Pete 7 you wouldn't know how to work a proper soldering Iron anyway, can you get me a couple of those seats from Argos
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Old 09 December 2002, 21:47   #43
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Dear wavehumper,

I realise that you were not having a go and I too did what you did and nearly bought an engine as I was so keen on diesel ribs.

Its a tuff market, The cabin Rib market and unfortunatley you can loose a fortune and Im not talking a few grand,more in the region of 50k plus.

There was a 2nd hand cabin rib for sale that had cost a quater of a million to develope,that had been built bye Halmaticks and was up for 50k second hand, now thats a lot of money to loose.

There is nobody holding your hand in this market and ya goto tread carefully and get it right with your product.

My boat is not comeing untill September2003 and I had to learn a lot pretty quick,my thoughts were purley that untill it comes I maybe able to pass what advice I had learned on to anybody that wanted it,whilst being objective.

When and if I decide to start selling the boats to the leasure market then I will advertise then,in the meantime as a person with no boat who has looked at this area long and hard I feel that if I can help others then I should.

I am in the enviable position of being able to decide for myself what is right and not to get the right boat but wrong engines or right engines or wrong boat.

Some things are compromises but as far as Im concerned you will not find one on my boat,I have got into bed with nobody in the marine trade anyway.

Lets hope I can hold this objectivity and I dont get compromised by big bucks.

The sea trials will be in Canada and Im hopeing that no pictures hit the press over there before it gets over here to the U.K
But we will see.

Thanks for your offer and I may take you out for a run if you want it.

Cheers Crazyhorse
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Old 10 December 2002, 03:17   #44
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Well, this must be close to the record for the fastest growing thread on the Forum. I was only here less than 24 hours ago and suddenly another 3 pages have appeared. And interestin' stuff, too.

I can't agree with Manos that cabin RIBs do not meet the criteria to qualify for RIB status. I suspect you don't really mean that, Manos. But as a newcomer to ribbing who has been water borne since the late 70s, I started with 4 key needs from my new form of water transport.

1 I wanted it to be totally seaworthy.

2 I wanted it to be fast.

3 I wanted to be able to go in a non wind dependent direction.

4 I no longer wanted to be wet and cold in so doing.

The second-hand cabin RIB I bought more or less met these conditions. And I bought it with the aim of using it to develop my own ideas before designing and building my own "ultimate" craft.

So, Mr Crazyhorse, I'm seriously interested in what you're on to. I wouldn't buy yours because I want to do my own thing for myself. But please keep us all up to date with your plans. As far as I'm concerned, post away to your heart's content.

Cheers...
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Old 10 December 2002, 03:17   #45
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LOLOL Crazyhorse



is that the joke of the day?? (sorry couldn't resist)

In any case I do not have to prove anything however, you are very wellcome to come and have a look my RIB and will take you for a ride in it as well (Greece after 15th Jan 2003).

Some people have already been on it and they think is brill!!! awsome etc etc. Will let them tell you. .....and by the way, I am not selling RIBs as such. This is not my business and make not money from it. RIBs is my hobby and I am pasionate about it.

I can supply the FALCON RIBs (which means that I can put you intouch with the people in SAfrica and help you with whatever is needed and I do not charge for it).

I mentioned prices because I find it rediculous and offenssive for

1. the engine manufacturers to charges double prices for the same engines in Europe and the US than in other parts of the world and
2. the RIB manufacturers to charge the earth for making a RIB when resin and fiber glass cost about Euro 3.00-3.30/kg (in Greece at least) and at the end of the day how much is labour cost??

And a finall comment as I said in previous threads RIBs suppose to be versatile, easy handle and to put in and out of the water (like one man job), easy to tow long distances, don't take a lot of space, you can put them in your garage, can tow a skrier, cheap to maintain etc etc.
This is my definition of a RIB.
However, there may be others who think differently than I do but we live in a democracy and everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion if it does not affect others (I believe any way)

also see

http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1436

there are some photos there from SAfrica and not only mine.
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Old 10 December 2002, 04:28   #46
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And a finall comment as I said in previous threads RIBs suppose to be versatile, easy handle and to put in and out of the water (like one man job), easy to tow long distances, don't take a lot of space, you can put them in your garage, can tow a skrier, cheap to maintain etc etc.


Well apart from the Skier business then, buy a SIB, because they certainly fit your criteria (back me up here Matt). You could then take it on 'The Great Orkney SIB Expedition 2003'.

Keith (obsessive, repetative) Hart

PS. I assume he means SKIER as a SKRIER (actualy spelled SCRYER) is a person who tells fortunes using a crystal ball.
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Old 10 December 2002, 05:09   #47
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Cheers Mike for the words of wisdom,Mine aint for sale and in real terms the Specialised Offshore Cabin Rib Market is very small,Maybe only aproximatley 2/4 boats a yr here in the U.K.

Most companies make there real money on the smaller high volume boats where there is a bigger demand.

I wouldnt jump to the conclusion at this stage that you would not buy one as you may find all your ideas on developments have been thought out and put into one package that may save you the aggro and time of doing it yourself i.e re inventing the wheel.

Who knows?

I look forward to seeing you all on the water and having a good Piss up.

I Must admit I was supprised at the speed this thread grew and am pleased at the interest that there is.

You see the ultimate in my book is to get there fast, and comfortable,
enjoy the place. stay overnight withought a hotel bill, take in the scenary,do a bit of navigation ,fishing ,diving of which I personaly enjoy and get home withought a big wad in fuel costs.

Then I will waddle back to mi boat with mi bird on mi arm after a nice meal and a few pints and then set off my parachute rockets!.

Thats the game, Cruising and thats what Im Doing, like it or lump it.

See you out there.

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Old 10 December 2002, 12:30   #48
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Buy a SIB (or Keith will hurt me...)!

If I had the money, I would definately, DEFINATELY buy myself a cabin RIB. Sure, there'd be times when I'd like to be out on an open RIB, but to be fair if I had that sort of cash, I'd have a mid-size open RIB too! With a cabin RIB you could go out in all sorts of weather and be out of the wind and somewhat more protected from the cold and wet.

I would still, however, go out on a SIB whenever possible!

Keith, maybe we need to come up with our own SIB range, perhaps we could offer an inflatable cabin model...

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Old 10 December 2002, 13:40   #49
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Thanks Staffos,

For you definition of what a rib is and how it should be launched,

I actually understand how you feel with regardes ribs as this is how I feel about offshore cabin ribs.

As far as starting in ribs go I had started with a sib like most people.

Good luck and happy cruising.

I may have to turn you down on di old falcon though, going to have to miss that little gem,so be it, financially commited to other things but good luck and happy boating.

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Old 10 December 2002, 14:46   #50
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The old STAFFOS' reply to......... crazyhorse?? :)

NICE!!
Well thanks crazyhorse. Hope you enjoy it.
I had 2 cabin cruisers (both Sunseekers- 31 offshore kept it for 3 years and sold it in 1990 and 44 Carmague kept it for 2 years sold it in 1992) each of them cost me 2ice my mortgage and house expences in marine fees etc (GBP 1,000/month high season the big one 700/month high season the small one in the Hamble and maintence about GBP 3,000/year each and paying the bank about 700/month brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr scary staff LOLOL )
After I sold the last one however, I feel heavy in my wallet and light in my feet. Can also go on hols 3 times a year now. And most importantly my bank manager feels VERY HAPPY too so does my bank account!!
In more serious tone I full understand and appreciate the fact that in a cold country like the UK (where it rains 300 days of the year) one should try to have a boat with a cabin.
However, I still insist that the 'philosophy' of a RIB is different than that of a boat with a cabin i.e. a cabin cruiser
see
http://www.sunseeker.com/intro.html

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