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Old 09 December 2002, 10:50   #21
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Dear John,

This is not a Sales pitch,you either want to no whats happening in the Offshore Cruising Cabin rib world or not.

My experience and reasoning is that rib bying is a difficult thing and there are loads of pitfalls.

There are important decisions, that you have to make when buying an offshore rib and my feelings are that this can be discussed here in an open way,Its important to discuss these and come to your own opinions.

For to long the large rib market has been dominated by a few, and competition helps everybody and creates a better market with improvements to products and design.

I havnt mentioned who is building our boats and weather anybody can even purchase one in the U.K, indeed mine is definatley not for sale and at this moment in time you cant buy one until some time in 2004 at the earliest if your lucky.

In the meantime if anybody wants an honest and unbiassed opinion on the trials and tribulations of designing and importing into the European Market, what in my opinion will be a absolutley world beating product then feel free to ask.

Cheers Crazyhorse wheres my Hay.











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Old 09 December 2002, 10:55   #22
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I think the Medina that they were given to provide rescue cover was sold a few years ago when they couldn't afford a new set of tubes.
It used to be moored in the Beaulieu river mouth.
The story went as I remember it 15th hand and drunk, so take with large shovel full of salt, that one of their 'saves' didn't not appreaciate being resuced and measures were taken to stop this happening again.
NOTE I am not condoning the actions taken nor support the vultures - damage of that nature is a pretty dispcable thing to do.

If you are a reader of Land rover international you will often see pieces on them helping out at events, though I'm not sure I agree with young kids standing so close to winch wires etc. as in the last picture I saw. I think the Chap's name is Capt Tiffy Peirce.

Any ideas what happened to the others?
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Old 09 December 2002, 11:25   #23
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Dear Crazyhorse

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It aint built in South Africa as I tried emailing all the major suppliers and didnt get any responce.I had also heard that some of the S.A boats had problems with quality control.My attitude will anoy some in the same way when you say that Skoda is crap you find out the guy you spoke to owns a Skoda and finds it great !
EWith reference to the above statement I would like to take this opportunity and make the following comments:

1. Boats that are built in SAfrica are built to the highest of standard. The reason being that they have to cope with very rough and unfriendly seas and weather much worst than those you all have experienced in the UK or in other parts of Europe.

2. Boats such as GEMINI, MAKO, FALCON and others are all CE, DOT etc etc certified.

3. As far as I am aware the RIBs of all of the above makes have to pass a QC test before they come into the market. Thus ensuring high quality.

4. I owed a GEMINI 5 mtrs for the last 15 years and when I sold the boat it reflected on the price. I bought it 5,000 and sold it for 5,000. Now I have a FALCON 700 RSR and the boat's construction according to a North SEA RIB support manufacturer (who's a friend and cannot disclose his name at this stage- he makes RIBs for the North Sea rigs for the last 20 years) is better than those made in the UK at least.

4. I believe that the reason the SAfrican companies did not even bother to contact you was that RIBs in SAfrica are still RIBs.
i.e light construction of a hull with pontoons. Not a cruiser with some inflatable sections attached to it. That is not a RIB and you might as well call it a SUNSEEKER or a FAIRLINE or a barge or what ever you like. I believe that a RIB should versatile for launching and recovering and the main objective of a RIB is for someone to take a boat out on a day and then be able to hitch back on the trailer without too much of a husle or trouble. A boat 10 mtrs long (I think any way) does not comply with those criteria. Therefore in my books is NOT a RIB. Is just a poor man's cruiser

5. Finally (and the rest of the people here should forgive me for repeating my slef) I have attached a few photos of what you call 'a SCODA'. It doesn't look like a SCODA to me specially when it reaches 68 knots.
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Old 09 December 2002, 11:27   #24
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The insides of the FALCON 700RSR

This looks pretty weel constructed to me
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Old 09 December 2002, 11:30   #25
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My boat

SCODA would be pleased to be associated with such a beauty..... and the price 12,000.00 last year 16,000 this year with 200 VMax Yam, 2 fuel tanks 70 ltrs and 2 filters, trailer, 2 bats, double hydrolic steering system, VHF/GMDSS, MAP-PLOTER GPS, RADIO CASETTE, COVER, anchors, chains, ropes etc etc
LOADED with goodies
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Old 09 December 2002, 11:31   #26
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This is not a Sales pitch,you either want to no whats happening in the Offshore Cruising Cabin rib world or not.
I am very interested to hear about your new boat, and I am sure that lots of other people here are too.

However, if you have another look at your original message I am sure that you can understand that it could sound like a sales pitch. Especially these days where every sales pitch seems to start with "I'm not trying to sell you something but . . ."

Anyway, please don't take offense -- this doesn't need to get blown out of proportion. Looks like you're going to have enough flak from the South African supporters

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Manos

We've all seen those pictures before -- no need to post them again!

Whilst it certainly looks like a heavy lay-up, the inside of that hull hardly looks like a piece of precision craftsmanship. Look at the wavy lines of those stiffeners

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Old 09 December 2002, 11:40   #28
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I already said sorry for repeating my self will not post the same pics but I was just making a point. SORRY
This photo is before the inside was covered with fibre glass. Is how the boats should actually look inside before cosmetics come to effect.
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I think most ribnet users would say that they would take a dim view of any attempt to turn this forum into a salesroom. However perhaps it is one giant one already. Some sell boats, others training, still more of us sell other more subtle concepts. Certain individuals sell themselves as technical experts, all-action heroes, deserving youths, offbeat philosophers, friendly matey types, comedians, et cetera. Why? Well in my humble opinion, the desire to copulate is behind it all. To this end human males engage in display-type behaviour to demonstrate their genetic qualities, even to other males. So perhaps we shouldn't be too hard on the boat salesmen. Now where did I leave that tube of Bostik?
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Old 09 December 2002, 13:18   #30
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I look on with interest and even a philospher sticks his oar in.

Manos as far as your internals go I would be a bit concerned with the stiffeners not quit looking quite strait.

Or should I let you tell everybody that its great when it clearly is not,or is it a SCODA.


Seems Im the only guy on here Selling Nothing.




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