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Old 10 March 2013, 07:30   #31
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.. some terwat had nicked the sextant, chronometer, lead line, chart cabinet.............
Really?!! Bastard!
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A major difference being, you guys on the 'Big Trawlers' have acres of the very best nav gear and a team of highly trained/experienced guys. All info can be then assessed, reassessed and cross referenced using multiple pieces of equipment.

A bloke on a rib my have a small GPS screen and his Wife and kids to worry about.
I agree to some extent, but as I said it is only in the last few years that electronic charts have been routinely used, and still they are not our 1st means of navigating.

As for the very latest Nav equipment, I think you are giving us too much credit.
My last vessel, which I was on for 6 years from 2005 to 2011 had a radar that was only just compliant with regs, and was obsolete after the 1st year, the highly experienced team, is only as good as the training that we do on board, and some of the juniors are fresh out of college, plus we have different nationalities, and you have to trust that the standard of educating a Filipino is as good as a European?
The electronic charts used to freeze routinely, normally when we were in busy shipping lanes, and are reliant on GPS, which can be, and is, jammed, and disrupted in certain areas.

We still steer by compass when near land, and plot positions on the charts, and the major difference is that we do have radar, but then that is not brilliant at picking up small targets.

FWIW the echo sounder is an underused tool for navigating, as it can be used to indicate when you are getting in shallow water, and as a cross reference to your dead reckoning.

I agree that navigating solo is tricky, but you have a throttle, and can always put it to idle while you assess the situation, if it is too deep to anchor, you are not really in danger, and as for having the wife and kids, they can help by listening etc.

I have 40 or so people, plus the financial survival of a multinational corporation (with 50,000 employees) affected if I screw up badly so not much pressure there then!
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Fog can indeed be sneaky. I remember one trip to Guernsey where we encountered a thick fog bank south of Etac off Sark. The visibilty was terrible; I had to slow down to 30kts at one point. As for not having paper charts and associated 'tools of the trade' on board, well, no excuse really, it's just that I rely wholly on my radar and plotter. They can fail of course but it's not that likely that they will and they're a lot better at navigating than I am with a chart and a set of dividers. Anyway, most of my travels are into unchartered waters (literally) so I'm used to winging it. I also disagree with your "maximum preparation = maximum fun" adage. Putting aside obvious safety considerations I have found the best days out are those that involve something spontaneous and unplanned.
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I had to slow down to 30kts at one point.
30knts!! We were bricking it at 3knts in the bay!
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Fog can appear really quickly! It helps to know the weather conditions that cause a vast majority of sea fog. I was out in the Falmouth bay a couple of years ago around Easter on a sunny fairly warm humid day with little or no wind. I was only in my SIB at the time just off the Manicle Bell doing some line fishing when a light SE breeze set in and brought a wall of dense fog in towards me at a steady rate.
I stayed ahead of it just but it moved swiftly blotting out everything. The cold water and humid air are a classic set up for sea fog especially when you pick up an onshore wind.
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I keed, I keed....
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Exactly, not bouncing about in a RIB, piss wet through. No doubt you were in a nice warm bridge with a chart table. Last time I checked my RIB, some terwat had nicked the sextant, chronometer, lead line, chart cabinet.................................
My Rib doesnt have a sextant, but it does have a chronometer (wristwatch) leadline (fishing rod, fish finder, echo sounder) and chart cabinet (paper charts for the area) which I would assume most others have.

According to your rationale, if you are in fog and have no GPS, (the yanks might turn it off, it might break etc etc)then just curl up into a ball and do nothing, or commit Hari Kari, cos you ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!

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It's not THAT sneaky!


It is see, got it?! Maybe it's just the Irish stuff that wanders about in a bit of a, err fog.
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30knts!! We were bricking it at 3knts in the bay!
Aye, but then YOU weren't fishing like GJ0KYZ
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It is see, got it?! Maybe it's just the Irish stuff that wanders about in a bit of a, err fog.
Hmmm! My worst fogs have been of the obvious Scroatish and Manxy kinds - they were kind enough to present themselves either in situ from "the off" or as a gradual loss of the visible coastline. The lesser Irish fogs have been no more than an inconvenience...
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Anyway, most of my travels are into unchartered waters (literally) so I'm used to winging it.
I'd well believe it - who would run a Charter Boat in there when the local taxis already have Avranches so well covered?

Wings would have been handy, BTW
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