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Old 10 March 2013, 07:05   #21
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I guess then that if you hit fog the best thing to do would be to drop anchor and sit it out .
Or is that the wrong thing to do.
You could be there a LONG time though.
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Old 10 March 2013, 07:07   #22
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I have been sailing/Navigating at sea on large vessels for 28 years, and only in the last 10 years have we used electronic charts (and even today our primary means is STILL paper charts)
I guess we must have been lucky then
A major difference being, you guys on the 'Big Trawlers' have acres of the very best nav gear and a team of highly trained/experienced guys. All info can be then assessed, reassessed and cross referenced using multiple pieces of equipment.

A bloke on a rib my have a small GPS screen and his Wife and kids to worry about.
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People like Sir Cloudesley Shovell for instance: Cloudesley Shovell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sir Cloudsley's primary problem was that he was an Ass. In mitigation, his fleet had been out of sight of land, in a storm, in the days when "longitude" was more of a concept, than a given. Had they lost sight of land in fog, I THINK they might just have known what way home was
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We hit f**cking rocks or each other and sank, that's what we did. That (and the U boats) would account for the 250 000 odd charted wrecks (all skippered by "proper seamen") around our coastline....
You have oversimplified P-D (for effect, I'm sure ) but I think it wouldn't be fair to mention the other reasons too:
Drunkeness (a very common problem)
Incompetency
Storm
Structural or Mechanical Failure - covers a multitude of things.

The above list accounted for a very large proportion of losses in the Pre-electronic days. Come to think of it, the same could be said IN the electronic era too. They're still sinking for those reasons.

I can see both sides of this argument, but I have to say that while steering to compass in fog IS tricky, it is a skill quickly picked up and it does work. It's a skill worth developing, something that training AND practice will do. Obviously the safety issue is important and it does depend where the fog is! If it's between Ireland and the UK, then the risks are reduced, if you're in Milford Haven - then it's tricky!

I've often been in fog, BTW, but I've never suddenly found myself in it. It's not THAT sneaky!

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A major difference being, you guys on the 'Big Trawlers' have acres of the very best nav gear and a team of guys. All info can be then assessed, reassessed and cross referenced using multiple pieces of equipment.

A bloke on a rib my have a small GPS screen and his Wife and kids to worry about.
Very well said
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You could be there a LONG time though.
I always keep my on board
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If it's between Ireland and the UK, then the risks are reduced, if you're in Milford Haven - then it's tricky!
Agreed, offshore, fog is not such a biggy. Inshore, crab pots a 55000 tonnes of parked steel are.

Fal Bay is the NCP for N. Atlantic shipping waiting for a job.
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I've often been in fog, BTW, but I've never suddenly found myself in it. It's not THAT sneaky!

It can be-I remember sailing off Hengistbury Head when I was 12 or 13 in a club race to yarmouth when the boat ahead suddenly disappeared into a localised fog bank kicked up by the ledge as we watched.

The vis wasn't great that day anyway-2 to 3 miles so it wasn't obvious.
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Unless you are keeping a meticulous log (yeah right) & know where you are & mark it every minute (on a 20knot+ RIB passage, give me strength) If it suddenly all goes dark grey you're fecked, anyone who thinks other wise is kidding themselves. Knowing you're lost is arguably safer than the bloke carrying charts who thinks he knows where he is.
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I would suggest to all those who believe that being out in fog is the "end of the world" in terms of navigation should do a RYA Intermediate or Advanced Powerboat course to learn how to use the "tools of the trade" which I and others always carry - and not in my armchair - although the Scot seats do have that feel

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So what again is the excuse for not having charts, pilotage notes, a handheld compass and a plotter on board then

BTW FI I did a 40 mile passage last July from Cushendall to LochRanza in "fog" and managed not to hit a rock or anything else - good luck or good training - you decide

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I have been sailing/Navigating at sea on large vessels for 28 years,
Exactly, not bouncing about in a RIB, piss wet through. No doubt you were in a nice warm bridge with a chart table. Last time I checked my RIB, some terwat had nicked the sextant, chronometer, lead line, chart cabinet.................................
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It can be-I remember sailing off Hengistbury Head.
Hengistbury Head is a bitch for that.
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