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Old 03 June 2009, 19:22   #71
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And if it's a byelaw similar to windemere's then will it really be enforcable anyway?
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Notice to Mariners12 of 2009 Lower Pool to Wandsworth Reach - Advisory 12 Knot Speed Limit.

An advisory speed limit of 12 Kt between Cherry Garden Pier and Wandsworth Bridge is therefore introduced with immediate effect.

Safety is the responsibility of all those navigating on and using the River, for whatever purpose. All mariners should recognise the significant risks that navigating in central London at high speed brings, and to act responsibly by adhering to the new advisory speed limit.

Attention is also drawn to The International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea 1972 (as amended) Rule 6 (Safe Speed) and the Port of London Act 108 (General rules for navigation) which provides:

A Master who navigates his vessel on the Thames:

a without due care and attention; or
b in a manner liable to injure or endanger persons, other vessels, the banks of the Thames (whether above or below mean high water level) or any structure or installation in or beside the Thames;

shall be guilty of an offence and liable to a fine upon conviction
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Date Published: 18-May-09
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So does this mean if I break an advisory speed limit I will be effectively "fitted up" for driving "without due care and attention; or in a manner liable to injure or endanger persons, other vessels, the banks of the Thames (whether above or below mean high water level) or any structure or installation in or beside the Thames;"

Cause this NTM kind of suggest I will be.

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Speeds in excess of the advisory limit would probably add weight to a prosecution for "without due care and attention etc", but I doubt very much whether they would get a conviction just for going at more than 12 knots.

We do need to be aware of the limit and keep it in mind though. If we choose to go at speeds over 12 knots then we need to make sure that it's a considered decision. This could turn out to be an excellent compromise.

I would still be perfectly happy to go well above this speed in some places, but if you do then make extra sure that you do it carefully.

I expect that in practice the PLA will behave as if it is a byelaw and generally try to enforce it. It will be interesting to see the approach that patrols take.
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Some encouraging news on Boatmad from someone who has had a chat about it with Thames Div:

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Hello all.
TO who it may interest, i have spoken to the thames river police today about the 12 knot advisory limit.
This is governed by the PLA ( port of london authority).
It is aimed at the large high speed passenger clippers that use the river.
According do the guy i spoke to it is all about the wash that these craft produce. They are also causing problems with moorings.
If any one wants to use the river for a run, common sense is everything and the collisions at sea act are what to follow.
There is no speed limit after Putney bridge down stream, of course wreckless and dangerous behaviour will get you nicked.
So as long as safety is first, all is ok. I would reccomend wearing life jackets on the river so if you do get an ID check which is very common near westminster, the police will see you are responsible, and they will be ok with you.

All the best and i hope this may be of interest and help.
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Old 09 July 2009, 07:15   #74
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I've been out on the tidal Thames on a number of occasions in the last two months, including runs from Tower Bridge to Chelsea after dark. I've had no problem at all running at cruising speed of ~15kts and more in the quiet sections (e.g. from Albert Bridge to Wandsworth)

BTW, the (enforceable) speed limit is 8kts above Wandsworth Bridge, not Putney.
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Latest Notice to Mariners ( 19 / 2009 )

" Three-yearly Review
Following extensive consultation within the port community, the Port of London Authority (PLA) has completed its scheduled 3-year review of General Directions for Navigation in the Port of London. During the consultation process, a number of responses were received, duly considered, and where appropriate, incorporated into the revised Directions. The Chamber of Shipping and the PLA Board have formally approved the new General Directions. "

amongst others.......

" GD 34: Speed Restrictions New General Direction. Introduces the requirement to comply with any speed restriction or speed reduction imposed by the Harbourmaster "

so there you are.......clear as mud in my opinion !
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So does that mean that all fun has now been banned???

And how does it effect the commercial Rib ride people?
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ADVISORY is just that advice
COMPULSARY means you gotta do it
like we say we ADVISE you to wear a kill cord and life jacket
or are they now gonna stitch us for
A 15 knots
then
B undue care and attention (no life jacket)
C careless or dangerous (no kill cord attatched)
what a complete bunch of pen pushing TWATS
WHY DONT THEY TAKE A REALITY CHECK AND GET WITH THE REAL WORLD
If life was as easy as they make out in the book then i dont wanna play I LIKE MY COMPLEX LIFE.
Why dont these people F'/k off leave us alone and go after the stupid assholes on motorbikes that do 80 mph in a 30 ON THE WRONG SIDE NEAR A SCHOOL and get away with it because wait for it
the speed camera van (oops sorry the saftey camera team) couldnt read the front number plate as he came towards them (DUUUUUHHHHHH motorbikes dont have a front plate do they IDIOTS COMPLETE IDIOTS)
OR we could just say we noteeeey undee standee eeengleeesh then we`ll get away with it
(probly get powerboat 2 lessons so we can speed properly )
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Just thought I'd bump this thread because

1) There's another public consultancy meeting next week.........

Public Meeting about the Thames
HQS Wellington – Wednesday, 19 May 2010

Our next public meeting to discuss current and future matters related to the tidal Thames will be held onboard HQS Wellington (moored at Temple Stairs, Victoria Embankment, London, WC2R 2PN) on Wednesday, 19 May.

2) The PLA have issued a new recreational guide for leisure users who may be intending to visit " Old Father Thames " . well worth a read for any boaters intending to visit .

Other interesting stuff here as well

Checkout http://www.pla.co.uk/
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The new Byelaws, which include 12kts speed limit between Wandsworth Bridge and Margaretness, have been formally adopted by the PLA and will come into force on approval by the Transport Secretary. Objections can be submitted up to 2 September.

See Thames Byelaws 2011 > Home Page
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Updated link to the full proposal:

http://www.pla.co.uk/pdfs/maritime/T...14-07-2011.pdf

Any idea when this comes in, as it seems there is little point owning a RIB past that date...
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