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Old 19 November 2013, 13:21   #11
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i used to have problems when i lived up high in the pennines of west yorkshire , village was over 1000 feet above sea level it was a constant battle at times especially if it was colder & foggy when at the coast .
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Old 19 November 2013, 14:00   #12
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i used to have problems when i lived up high in the pennines of west yorkshire , village was over 1000 feet above sea level it was a constant battle at times especially if it was colder & foggy when at the coast .
Which village was that the mc ?
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Which village was that the mc ?
Mountain , Queensbury ,Nr Bradford . Tuther side of big hill to you lol
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Old 19 November 2013, 14:22   #14
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My flatacraft was sitting in the sun in a very sheltered car park after a weekend cruising I suspect the heat caused the seam to come apart about 12-18" The previous evening had been clear and cold no over pressure valves in those days
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Yes, but thats the temp of the tube, which may not be the temp of the air inside it. How well does the tube conduct heat to the air in it ?
How hot is the air in your car when you leave it closd up on a sunny day?

Air has a fairly low specific heat, so the air in the tubes gets hot. Potentially hotter than the tubes.

My local waters are never more than about 52F. On hot days I always vent, sometimes before even pulling it out of the water since bursting a seam is going to be a disasterous expense.
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The Zodiac manual for my SIB advises for every 1*c rise in temp increases the internal air pressure by 4mb / 0.06psi. How accurate this is I know not!
Usually leave mine inflated at half pressure (120mb) whilst not in use/with cover on during the summer months.
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The Zodiac manual for my SIB advises for every 1*c rise in temp increases the internal air pressure by 4mb / 0.06psi. How accurate this is I know not!
That seems about right so typical daily temp change (UK summer) is only the difference between really high and really low pressure weather systems.
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Can't see that myself. The temp of a hot air gun is considerably more than a hot summers day.
you heat gently with a hot air gun, what temp does tube get to? Ever touched a black tube that has been sitting in the sun all day?

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So going on your theory, there'd be a lot of deflated tubes around the med, caribean etc
Notice that dark coloured tubes are less popular in the hot - perhaps for comfort but also for longevity? they may also be more aware of the issue and take better care.
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You accounting for the fact that a tube in contact with water will be say 5-10C and so if pumped up to pressure for that temp and then brought ashore in the afternoon and left in the bright sun it might rise to 70C (you remember sitting in shorts in the back seat of 1970's cars with fake leather seats??) so say a 60C shift. Thats an extra 3.6PSI?

Not sure what pressure people pump their RIBs up to 2PSI rings bells... nearly three times that...?

Solution: get solid tubes ?
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you heat gently with a hot air gun, what temp does tube get to? Ever touched a black tube that has been sitting in the sun all day? Notice that dark coloured tubes are less popular in the hot - perhaps for comfort but also for longevity? they may also be more aware of the issue and take better care.
I had old polyurethane tubes on a tornado that came apart at the seam on a hot day- but only the 12" or so section of seam underneath a black wear patch. The glue had softened with the heat absorbed by the black patch; the surrounding orange areas were unaffected.
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