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Old 29 June 2005, 18:40   #21
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Yep we to had a brill couple of days looking after the gold box.
And yes we to bailed out of the fireworks as well.
Agree with comments, but dont matter what job/task you do, you will always come across mr/mrs Attitude and we had a couple of them.
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Old 29 June 2005, 18:41   #22
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sorry Russell - I wasnt refering to you, we were in exactly the same position as you were, whilst under way we were normally doing our best to avoid sunseekers and wayward yachts whilst also trying to keep some degree of stability for passengers and keep within the speed restrictions - on a couple of occassions we had the same approach from a marshall as you (sounds like the same boat I think!)
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Old 29 June 2005, 18:51   #23
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Bruce I agree essentially with what you are saying however, as far as Iím aware there was no mention of a 5kt speed limit in either the Trafalgar safety info PDF or on QHM website - "fast planing craft are to keep their movement down to the minimum speed necessary". I was maintaining 9kts in order for water to exit via the elephant trunks and to navigate the wake effectively.

As for the near collision incident, in my opinion the marshal boats actions were totally inappropriate, so much so that if I actually had any useful information about the boat I would have reported to the CG. If was far from a gentle persuasion to change course.

I really didn't mean to be so negative about the marshalling - on a whole is all seemed to work very well, and most people seemed to obey the rules.


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Old 29 June 2005, 19:11   #24
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There wasnt a figure set on speed, it was safe speed minimum wash.
As for near miss, that should have been left for the next level of patrols.
They were quick enough to swoop on us when i got to close to Endurance whilst helping to lead to sail past, i thought they were even going to come on top of us.
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and sometimes pursuit and interception and delivery of a bollicking was the only answer - and it was not without risk.
I have no doubt that the vast majority of situations where handled fairy. But you can get problems when appearant power is given to some wannabe's who have very little experience, little or no common sense, people handling skills etc etc, oviously this couldnt apply to anyone here

Some bottle necks especially ryde was difficult.

One guy we where talking to in Cowes had an incident where 3 large cruisers where coming from the west he from the east along ryde. another cruiser overtakes the other 3 cruisers to their port heading straight at him he now has a senario of what

get hit from the front

moves to port across 3 other cruisers get hit

stop and get hit from front and back

so what should he have done ???.
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oviously this couldnt apply to anyone here
Don't beat about the bush... who are you pointing the finger at?
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Quite possibly at anyone of the Navy marshalls who had no idea of what the ordinary boating public had been told..

Just out of interest..
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Attending incidents like this would have diverted us from dealing with our primary responsibilities which were the security of the Naval Fleet and the logistics of organising the spectators. This isn't just my personal opinion, it was our instruction.
I thought the only role of the Marshalls was to stop people crossing the imaginary line.. And if they did, and refused to move, you could call up some people with real power.. If I am wrong, and you were protecting the Naval Fleet and Liz from some form of terrorist attack, hats off to all the Marshalls..
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Old 30 June 2005, 04:13   #28
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Don't beat about the bush... who are you pointing the finger at?
Probably the RN nobber in a 5.4m sea rider in the enterance to Pompey harbour. Still now he is safely back on board his ship peeling spuds for a living the Solent will be a safer place without his interference.

Thankfully the Ribnet marshalls we saw were doing a fab job, including you Richard.

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I had a good day yesterday. Fireworks were brilliant - quite a sight all those anchor lights too.

RussellH I think I met the same marshall boat, got told off for doing 9kts in an effort to stay on top of (rather than in) the rather large wake from the binliners travelling at 5kts.

Also saw a marshal boat put themselves very dangerously in front of a RIB travelling at speed in an attempt to stop them - could have ended badly.
Hi Daniel
Thats us in the photo. Was it us you were refering to?
As far as I remember, we did not have to approach any RIBs. but we did ask some to slow down.
There were several occasions when we asked people to slow from an already reasonable speed. This was usualy because there was a blockage further up which you may not have been able to see. It was imperative that we slowed people to stop them going round the blockage and into the Restricted Zone.

We had a couple of plastic fantastics who kept saying "I am at tick over, I cant go any slower."
Our response was "There are much faster boats than yours which can."

I am sorry if we did something which seemed unreasonable, but there was method in our madness.
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It's a good job they never gave them guns , for their role of protecting the fleet and Betty and Phivos i imagine a few of us would have been shot.



Still on a more serious note it seemed to have went extremely well the organizational skills of the Navy were superb. All charter boats had a great time they did meet one or two over zealous VOLUNTEER MARSHALLS but on the whole no problems . And a big thumbs up to all the volunteers and professional teams out there who made it a great couple of day's.
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