Stunning new warship and its RIB.

codprawn · 15 August 2007, 10:45

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/c...&nbram=1&asb=1

HMS Daring in service at last - wouldn't mind seeing it up close. Supposed to be the World's most advanced warship - the missles reach mach 5!!!

Brief glimpse of it's RIB in action during a MOB trial - looks pretty quick but too far away to see what it is.

Christopher · 15 August 2007, 13:05

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Brief glimpse of it's RIB in action during a MOB trial - looks pretty quick but too far away to see what it is.

It will be the new Pacific 24 from VT Halmatic which will be standard issue on all the new Type 45 ships.

BogMonster · 15 August 2007, 14:15

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It will be the new Pacific 24 from VT Halmatic which will be standard issue on all the new Type 45 ships.

MMM a couple of quids worth there I think

AndrewH · 15 August 2007, 14:24

Quite agree - HMS Daring looks quite spectacular. However we saw TWO of these coming into Poole harbour last Thursday evening. They are just beasts !! Both overtook us (on an Elan 333 at the time) and then once they'd rounded the North haven beacon just opened up the engine and flippin' 'eck were they fast.

They then had a race up the main channel towards their base - needless to say that they tend not to take too much notice of the 10 knt speed limit in the harbour.

codprawn · 15 August 2007, 14:43

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They then had a race up the main channel towards their base - needless to say that they tend not to take too much notice of the 10 knt speed limit in the harbour.

So once again it's one law for them and one law for us - why didn't the harbour master report them I wonder???

Biggles · 15 August 2007, 14:44

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They then had a race up the main channel towards their base - needless to say that they tend not to take too much notice of the 10 knt speed limit in the harbour.

Their is no reason why they should be doing this. Would only take one phone call to the local base and I'm sure it would stop. It just encourages others to do the SAME !

AndrewH · 15 August 2007, 15:18

Codders and Biggles:

Agree with you both. Certainly one of the chaps I was onboard with was of the firm opinion that they have an exemption ... personally I'm not convinced. I suspect its more an issue that the SBS base C.O. would be unwilling to give up the names of those on duty in speeding craft. They'd probably also claim that it was an "essential part of training". Same excuse that speeding plods have used in court.

Although to be fair to the helmsman of both craft, they didn't hack past any of the racing yachts/dinghies and only let rip once they were in clear water in the main channel. Again - not saying I condone their action, but they did at least show some consideration for others

donutsina911 · 15 August 2007, 15:21

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Their is no reason why they should be doing this. Would only take one phone call to the local base and I'm sure it would stop. It just encourages others to do the SAME !

how do you know the reasons behind their speeds or whether its justified or not?

One call to the base and you'd get someone apologising for the inconvenience politely to you and bugger all would change....

and what's wrong with their being different rules for military and civilians? Happens on the motorway, in the air and at sea, so why not in a harbour - I'd guess the helms of the poole boats are slightly more able than a large percentage of the clowns on ribs who used cowes as a racetrack last week.

codprawn · 15 August 2007, 15:21

I am not in anyway saying that they were dangerous or even reckless - the same goes for the fisheries protection RIB that zooms around in Swansea ignoring the speed limit in the river entrance. It's just that you can bet that if it was one of us we would be leant on heavily even if we were being safe and sensible!!!

Barry Blitter · 15 August 2007, 15:45

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how do you know the reasons behind their speeds or whether its justified or not?

One call to the base and you'd get someone apologising for the inconvenience politely to you and bugger all would change....

and what's wrong with their being different rules for military and civilians? Happens on the motorway, in the air and at sea, so why not in a harbour - I'd guess the helms of the poole boats are slightly more able than a large percentage of the clowns on ribs who used cowes as a racetrack last week.

hey donuts how is your rib business going? Did you do that gumball car rally in the end?

Barry Blitter · 15 August 2007, 15:47

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I am not in anyway saying that they were dangerous or even reckless - the same goes for the fisheries protection RIB that zooms around in Swansea ignoring the speed limit in the river entrance. It's just that you can bet that if it was one of us we would be leant on heavily even if we were being safe and sensible!!!

Yeah of course! Then again when they do f**k up like Faye Turney they do get slightly more of a media grilling!

Biggles · 15 August 2007, 15:52

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and what's wrong with their being different rules for military and civilians? Happens on the motorway

Like where. I think your guessing here

Biggles · 15 August 2007, 15:56

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so why not in a harbour

Guess its got something to do with the fact that most harbours are confined spaces. Aren't we always getting told to slow down because wash causes erosion of the shore and knocks the moored boats about a lot.

The only time I think it can be justified is in the saving of life or property. Not because the erks want to get to the cookhouse quicker.

donutsina911 · 15 August 2007, 16:00

in the bomb team we had dispensation to blue light and make "appropriate progress" without interference from the traffic police subject to certain criteria. Military drivers (response, escort or diplomatic) have the same dispensation. That's not guessing biggles, its fact.

donutsina911 · 15 August 2007, 16:01

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Guess its got something to do with the fact that most harbours are confined spaces. Aren't we always getting told to slow down because wash causes erosion of the shore and knocks the moored boats about a lot.

The only time I think it can be justified is in the saving of life or property. Not because the erks want to get to the cookhouse quicker.

I would put military readiness above saving property but each to their own.

donutsina911 · 15 August 2007, 16:05

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hey donuts how is your rib business going? Did you do that gumball car rally in the end?

all rib work now goes through Nick at Benson Marine as I bought a Targa (plastic caravan and not the cool 4x4 version) instead. Never did get to the gumball, although came close - if you call a £10k shortfall in funds close

Saw you at the Royal Navy Sailing Association drinks last week, assume you were with girlfriend - Will said hello to you I think - I was being bored shitless by a navy engineer so didnt get chance..

Biggles · 15 August 2007, 16:05

Now you mention the Blue light. Those guys on the fast craft weren't showing a blue light were they ?

And even then the use of a blue light only shows other people that you are responding to an emergency. It doesn't allow you to break the law. Speeding or otherwise. Its got to be for a reason. Not just for swanning around. FACT.

Been there done that !!!!!!!!!!!

Just because no one gets reported for it doesn't mean its lawful. The Judge and the job will throw the book at you if you get it wrong.

A lot of this myth around the blue light is down to the general publics ignorance.

Biggles · 15 August 2007, 16:11

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I would put military readiness above saving property but each to their own.

That would be done out in the open sea or other military training area specifically designated for that purpose. Trust me the Military isn't full of cowboys and will not want to put civilian lives at risk or upset them.
As I said I doubt that covers blasting through Poole Harbour. Poole is one of those long trek harbours and boring to travel through especially if the boat has to go all the to the top of the harbour. You can see why they do it but it isn't for any other factor than expediency.

There again maybe they did have to respond to something at the top of the harbour.

'By Strength And Guile' Hey.

donutsina911 · 15 August 2007, 16:11

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Now you mention the Blue light. Those guys on the fast craft weren't showing a blue light were they ?

And even then the use of a blue light only shows other people that you are responding to an emergency. It doesn't allow you to break the law. Speeding or otherwise. Its got to be for a reason. Not just for swanning around. FACT.

Been there done that !!!!!!!!!!!

Just because no one gets reported for it doesn't mean its lawful. The Judge and the job will throw the book at you if you get it wrong.

A lot of this myth around the blue light is down to the general publics ignorance.

You asked how different rules can apply to civilians and the military on the motorway and alleged that I was guessing - I gave you two examples. One with blue light, one without. Incidently,the blue light does give you a degree of immunity from certain legislation in appropriate circumstances - I have the DCI sat in front of me if you want clarification.

My orginal question to you was how do you know that the speed at which they were travelling was unjustified after you stated that there "was no reason why they should be doing that". You didnt answer this, but in your last thread have assumed that they could have been "swanning around" or in a rush to get scran. So, why are you so sure that there is no legitimate reason for them "speeding"?

donutsina911 · 15 August 2007, 16:13

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That would be done out in the open sea or other military training area specifically designated for that purpose. Trust me the Military isn't full of cowboys and will not want to put civilian lives at risk or upset them.
As I said I doubt that covers blasting through Poole Harbour. Poole is one of those long trek harbours and boring to travel through especially if the boat has to go all the to the top of the harbour. You can see why they do it but it isn't for any other factor than expediency.

There again maybe they did have to respond to something at the top of the harbour.

'By Strength And Guile' Hey.

So it was a guess on your part then.