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Old 31 May 2007, 09:10   #61
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Old 31 May 2007, 09:17   #62
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Old 31 May 2007, 09:23   #63
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Riva,

I would agree you have met your obligations to someone who is not actually your customer.

IF you are right that the problem arises when an innapropriate cleaner is used then clearly Balistic are NOT in any way at fault (even for boats still in warranty) provided you had provided reasonable "care instructions" which were not followed.

Neil bought a used boat without warranty and presumably without survey therefore its caveat emptor I am afraid. If he does have a complaint - it should be to the seller - but he presumably made no promises that this was just surface colour.

I am somewhat confused by the report you posted from SATRA. Was 3 weeks of direct contact supposed to be representative of the product usage? In real life the seats are getting wet with both rain and sea water, they are being sat on and off, squashed, wriggled about on etc, they will also be sitting in the sun...

You said that "it showed that when a cleaning agent was put on the foam it fucked it up..." - but that report doesn't say that... ...it says "which may, or may not have been facilitated by an extrernal agent".

ZDEC is normally colourless - so I assume the zinc in being replaced with another ion if that is responsible for the pink colour? (The extrapolation that the colour is reduced by adding dilute sodium hydroxide and therefore might be ZDEC is a little extreme!) But perhaps this might help Neil with his problem? If he carfully washes the material with a sodium hydroxide solution can he expect to remove the pink colouration?
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Old 31 May 2007, 09:58   #64
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I agree that this report does not prove anything and comes to no conclusion except that the seat was wet. This is expected in a Rib.

I will try to obtain some Potassium Hydroxide which the report states reduces the pink stain. Any chemists out there know of the best way to obtain Potassium Hydroxide.

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Old 31 May 2007, 10:06   #65
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I may not have purchased this rib from JBT but my last rib a Zodiac Yachtline I did buy from them so I am an ex customer. They have received commission from me in the past and they could have received some more in the future.

If only.

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Old 31 May 2007, 10:30   #66
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I agree that this report does not prove anything and comes to no conclusion except that the seat was wet. This is expected in a Rib.

I will try to obtain some Potassium Hydroxide which the report states reduces the pink stain. Any chemists out there know of the best way to obtain Potassium Hydroxide.

Thanks

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It just so happens...

I would expect sodium hydroxide to react exactly the same way - as in almost all situations it does. Sodium hydroxide is fairly readily available as a houshold cleaning material called "caustic" or "caustic soda". If you would prefer to use Potassium hydroxide then PM me.

You should be aware that both potassium and sodium hydroxide are fairly nasty and you should wear gloves, glasses/goggles, and an apron when using it - and keep it well away from any aluminium. Make sure you thoroughly rinse it all away...

If there is a possibility the the material and foam underneath have TFR or some other solvent in there you probably want to thoroughly rinse it all before you start or it will be two steps forward one step backwards.
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no thanks Neil keep the possible commission , id rather not deal with you .
thanks

still cant say you were wrong !! for the way you've gone about it or be gracious enough to say thanks for a fantastic offer ,but i cant afford your offer at the moment can you help me on terms .

but please keep it up our search positions fantastic today !!
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I'm getting bored of this.

NeilB, RIVA is right. You bought a used ex commercial boat without warranty from a 3rd party. If he's offering a full new set of seats at cost it's not his problem if you can't afford it. It'll be costing him time-and time is money. A bit of pink staining is not the end of the world and quite frankly is probably the lesser of a lot of evils you could have encountered buying an ex commercial boat.

RIVA, maybe you could learn to be a little more gentle in your phrasing? I'm sure you realise it's potentially bad press to swear in public discussion-no matter how much you're being wound up.


Can we have an end to the slanging match now please?
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i apologise if my swearing has offended any one

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, nice analysis dirk , lol

Hardly, just happened to have seen loads of this in the past, not only on ribs, but on sportsboats, cruisers and all! Seen quite a bit of brown staining as well, caused by the use of wbp ply instead of marine!

As for the stitching, picture say's it all!

Don't understand why you use the old "out of warranty" as an excuse not to replace, if it's wrong from day one, then it's wrong till the end of time!
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