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Old 09 May 2007, 13:53   #21
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Looks like its a common problem then if you experienced it as well.
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Old 09 May 2007, 16:37   #22
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The only way you will find out what the problem is will be to take apart a seat by taking the staples out find a local upholsterers who will be willing to do this when have come to a conclusion the right one and not speculation you may find the dealer you bought it from more simpathetic,You may find that the printed lettering on the underside of the fabric is leaching through due to the constant dampness and salt.Hope this may help
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Old 10 May 2007, 04:10   #23
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No he didnít buy from a dealer he bought direct from the owner.

So bought without the safe guards offered?

Such as negotiation condition to price?

Making sure the vat was paid on the boat???
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Old 10 May 2007, 18:22   #24
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No he didnít buy from a dealer he bought direct from the owner.

So bought without the safe guards offered?

Such as negotiation condition to price?

Making sure the vat was paid on the boat???
SO are you saying that JBT offer bigger price reductions for poor condition than a member of the public would? Surely that doesn't make sense...

...also provided the paperwork is present and correct then there will be evidence of the VAT status...

you're not actually suggesting that people should only buy 2nd hand boats from dealers are you?
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Old 10 May 2007, 18:44   #25
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No he didnít buy from a dealer he bought direct from the owner.

So bought without the safe guards offered?

Such as negotiation condition to price?

Making sure the vat was paid on the boat???
Hi Riva, I am at a slight loss as follows:
JBT are th only importer resellers of Ballistic (current models) in the UK and if I assume correctly that you sold it theyn I am aure you invoiced for vat unless it was for export where you would have secured the correct vat details as I am sure you are responsible for same.

How thus can the boat not have vat paid" given it has to beone of your past stock. Unless I am missing something which I am sure I must be, then it would have to have vat paid on it.

Failing that I am sure you will have a visit from the Inland Revenue to check on your previous invoices.

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Old 11 May 2007, 02:47   #26
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JBT sold my current rib when new to its first owner who wanted to use it for training and bought it as a buisness venture and claimed the VAT back on it. When I purchased the boat I negotiated a price + VAT so the old owner would then have to pay the VAT I paid him to the revenue. As a buisness I don't think he can get away without paying it as the VAT office would shut him down. I have a receipt saying that I have paid the VAT to the old owner so it is his companies responsibility to pass this on.

I think RIVA is trying to scare us into buying from a dealer but the price difference can often not justify this.

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Old 11 May 2007, 12:21   #27
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Buying a boat is similar to buying a car - buy from a dealer and you often have better post sale rights and support, but sometimes at a premium. Buy privately and you can more than likely save £ on purchase price, but potentially be on your own after you've bought it.

The key difference for me is that with boats, the issues of VAT and warranty validity are greater, particularly when buying ribs (more so with obviously commercially specc'd ribs like a 7.8 pax). Establishing provenance / VAT status, together with the more robust consumer protection buying from a dealer seems to offer (plus, in JBT's case, goodwill) all add up to a dealer purchase being prudent in my opinion.

It's also worth bearing in mind that JBT tend to buy incredibly well and therefore the difference between dealer ticket price and private price may not be too great. For example, a newer version of the rib Neil has bought, with the same spec, with less engine hours and a brand new trailer (my old rib) was sold by JBT to the new owner for considerably less than the asking price of Neil's here....

ballistic rib 7.8m - 250 etec - £33,000 plus vat.

In this case, had you offered to buy my rib through JBT, if you highlighted the engine/seat staining issues with the dealer prior to purchase, you would have found them more inclined to do a deal and rectify them, either because they would have beaten me up on price, taken a bit of a hit on their commission or both - a private seller may not have that flexibility. Each sale is unique, but for me, dealer purchase just makes more sense.
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Old 11 May 2007, 17:12   #28
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The price in the attached advert was not the price I paid. I managed to negotiate a deal over £10,000 less which is why I purchased the boat considering the few minor problems. If I was going to pay £39000 I would have purchased from the dealer but this was to good a bargain to miss.

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Old 29 May 2007, 15:25   #29
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Tried using Starbright Vinyl cleaner as suggested but without luck. This stain is definately coming from the inside and no amount of scrubbing will remove it. Every seat is affected.

If anyone is considering buying a Ballistic beware, as this may occur to you after 12 months. If any potencial buyers would like to see how their seats may look I am more than willing to show you.

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