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Old 31 July 2013, 16:37   #1
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SR 5,4 CE Certificate needed

Please excuse my bad English. I come from Germany and English is not the language I often need.
2
months ago I've bought a Avon Searider 5.4 in England.
The previous owner was the British Navy.
The boat was sold by a middleman. Of course he had no papers to the boat.
It was sold to me as 01.1998. For a boat in this age I donít need a CE certifikate in Germany. So the deal was okay for me.
By my restauration works I stumbled over a plaquette with the HIN under tons of antifouling. After research I found out, the boat is much younger.
Production date is 02.2001.
For a boat with this date of building I need a
</SPAN>CE certificate in Germany.
My Question is where can i get this certificate.
Has anyone a tip or a contact adress.
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Old 01 August 2013, 11:14   #2
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Sorry to here Your story. This CE thing makes me mad...but not much to do about it. That's why one cant buy a RIB without CE mark from UK unless it older than june 1998....

You are right, technically you need to aftermark it. Is it worth it, that's another story.

These people can do it in UK http://www.gablemarine.com/ but for sure You have similar firms in Germany, might be cheaper that way. Possible the cost can be several K euros, at least that would be the case here.

Think You have a case against the middle man, if You have a sales contract with the details, you might be able to cancel the sale? Or You can sell the hull locally as a work boat.

Or then you forget about the real HIN ( i did not suggest this ...) and keep it as a 01.1998. The fact remains, the expensive CE marking/ certification will not make You boat any safer.

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Have you the sales paperwork saying its a 1998 boat? if so well why have a Plate on it ?? if the authorities want paperwork I would use the sales documentation.. However if it were as you say Ex Royal Navy I would doubt that it had a plate!! as would have been sold as a work boat !!!
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Whats the four digit Navy serial number of the boat?
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Old 01 August 2013, 14:37   #5
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Sorry to here Your story. This CE thing makes me mad...but not much to do about it. That's why one cant buy a RIB without CE mark from UK unless it older than june 1998....
Dont worry , i am happy that the boat is younger than told
The condition also is much better than it looks at the first time.

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You are right, technically you need to aftermark it. Is it worth it, that's another story.

These people can do it in UK http://www.gablemarine.com/ but for sure You have similar firms in Germany, might be cheaper that way. Possible the cost can be several K euros, at least that would be the case here.
To expensive. The highest Price i pay for CE is a few hundred euros.

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Think You have a case against the middle man, if You have a sales contract with the details, you might be able to cancel the sale? Or You can sell the hull locally as a work boat.
The middle man becomes no problems with me. He is a nice guy.
The other thing is, the boat has no grey tubes. I have bought it because it has blue tubes. It was a navy police or a police boat. The seller said navy police. I like the blue tubes. Under the antifouling i found a boat in good condition. The other Problems with the boat i have seen before i went to England. But not the HIN

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Or then you forget about the real HIN ( i did not suggest this ...) and keep it as a 01.1998. The fact remains, the expensive CE marking/ certification will not make You boat any safer.

Good luck!
This is plan B. Thank you
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Old 01 August 2013, 14:48   #6
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Have you the sales paperwork saying its a 1998 boat? if so well why have a Plate on it ?? if the authorities want paperwork I would use the sales documentation.. However if it were as you say Ex Royal Navy I would doubt that it had a plate!! as would have been sold as a work boat !!!

I have it.
The seller told me it is an 06 or 07.1998. So the boat on the sales paperwork on my request was written as am 01.1998 (CE Documentation)
But 2.2001 is a little bit younger than 07.1998. So i think it is not bad to have the CE Certificate. At all if i want to sell this boat in future.
It had no CE plate. but i has a HIN.
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Whats the four digit Navy serial number of the boat?
Four Digit???? Where
i have found a 5 Digit number on the Aluminium bar on the transom and a plate with a 6 Digit code inside the boat on the transom.
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It's not navy if it's ex police, and won't have the 4 digit navy number.

Are the 2 sets of numbers you have the same apart from one digit? It might be a retube that's had a serial number stuck to it.
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It's not navy if it's ex police, and won't have the 4 digit navy number.

Are the 2 sets of numbers you have the same apart from one digit? It might be a retube that's had a serial number stuck to it.
No, the two numbers are different. The tubes look like 10 to 15 jears strong use. The hull was antifouled and had barnacles in the flooding hull.
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Do they both say different years?
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Old 02 August 2013, 03:51   #11
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I have it.
The seller told me it is an 06 or 07.1998. So the boat on the sales paperwork on my request was written as am 01.1998 (CE Documentation)
But 2.2001 is a little bit younger than 07.1998. So i think it is not bad to have the CE Certificate. At all if i want to sell this boat in future.
It had no CE plate. but i has a HIN.
Pleas let me know where You can have a CE certification for a few houndred, sounds cheap. Might have use for it some day!

In connection to the CE certification You will have a CE plate including a new HIN number and also owners manual.
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Old 11 September 2013, 11:27   #12
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Update!
I have posted to Zodiak with the following text:
2 months ago i have bougth a used Searider 5.4 commercial in England.
It is an old english police boat.
The seller told me the boat it is manufactured in 1998.
Now i have found the plate wiht the HIN.
The number is AVB ..... B1 01
(Number not posted here)
If i see it right, the boat ist manufactured in February 2001.
If this is true, i need a CE document for this boat.
Is it possible to get this documents?
Where can i get them and how much does it cost.

Normally in Germany it is possible to get new documents for a lost CE for a few hundred Euros from the factory.
The factory needs the HIN and the invoice from the boat.

Zodiak soon has answered .
I'll reply the post:
"When that craft was built as a "Commercial Craft" CE MARK WAS NOT FITTED.so we cannot provide this document"

Thats it!
No CE from Zodiak .

I think now i have two not so expensive possibilitys.
1. When i bought the boat I have got a invoice for a boat built 01.1998.
I will register the boat as a 1998.
2. I am self-employed.
Thus I try to register the boat on the Business.
I think number 1 is the first i will try to to
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Hi Storm animal.
I understand the Recreational craft directive (RCD) to be exactly that. It is only applicable to recreactional/leisure craft, not commercial craft. So, you are right about not having a CE mark for commercial craft. Perhaps registering it to your business as a commercial craft is the most practical option considering your position? Good luck!
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Old 12 September 2013, 12:58   #14
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Update!
I have posted to Zodiak with the following text:
2 months ago i have bougth a used Searider 5.4 commercial in England.
It is an old english police boat.
The seller told me the boat it is manufactured in 1998.
Now i have found the plate wiht the HIN.
The number is AVB ..... B1 01
(Number not posted here)
If i see it right, the boat ist manufactured in February 2001.
If this is true, i need a CE document for this boat.
Is it possible to get this documents?
Where can i get them and how much does it cost.

Normally in Germany it is possible to get new documents for a lost CE for a few hundred Euros from the factory.
The factory needs the HIN and the invoice from the boat.

Zodiak soon has answered .
I'll reply the post:
"When that craft was built as a "Commercial Craft" CE MARK WAS NOT FITTED.so we cannot provide this document"

Thats it!
No CE from Zodiak .

I think now i have two not so expensive possibilitys.
1. When i bought the boat I have got a invoice for a boat built 01.1998.
I will register the boat as a 1998.
2. I am self-employed.
Thus I try to register the boat on the Business.
I think number 1 is the first i will try to to
Hi there. I don't want You to spoil Your day, but if regulation is followed to the letter, a workboat (navy, police...) can technically not be taken to leisure use what ever age, unless it is CE marked before being put into service. The 1998 June date regulation applies on leisure boats. However, if a work boat has been taken into leisure use before this CE legislation was put into force, there is no issue. And if buying from a private person a used boat older than June 1998 it is highly unlikely to attract any attention.

If it can be traced from the bill of sale, one has purchased a work boat directly from police, navy without any private ownership between, there might be an issue(pending on how active the authorities in the case might be). Over here, authorities don't even sell surplus workboats to private persons, only for professional use.

In UK think the price for CE markin smaller boats is about 1250+vat
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Old 09 June 2016, 05:46   #15
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Hi!
Did you resolve this CE-marking thing eventually? I'm trying to get my SR6 from the navy to the register. Have had no conclusion yet from the authorities. The boat is from 1991.
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A 1991 boat is pre CE marking therefore it doesn't require it
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