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Old 16 September 2010, 04:01   #1
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SR 4.7 repower

Hi, I'm considering to repower my SR4.7 with a Evinrude E-tec 90 HP (comming from Suzuki DT65 ).


The old engine weighs 113 kg.
The E-tec weighs 145 kg.

I use it for diving, fishing, waterskiing ect.



Any comments, complains or emotional outbursts ?
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Old 16 September 2010, 04:58   #2
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flying also?!!

Our 5.4 chine walked with a 90 optimax.

What is the max power the transom will take? Also, weight.
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Old 16 September 2010, 05:53   #3
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flying also?!!

Our 5.4 chine walked with a 90 optimax.

What is the max power the transom will take? Also, weight.


The 90 Optimax weighs 170 kg. That's a heavy engine !

The SR4.7 is specified for 70 HP and around 130 KG engine. However i'm not so worried about the extra 15 kg, i anyway put 500 kg of people and diving equipment in also (100kg diving-tanks right next to the transsom). That also why the 90 HP would be nice (to get on the plane)

The only issue could be when it's empty going full speed, but i never do that for waterskiing, diving or fishing purposes.


The businesscase for changing engine is not good enough if i only look at the savings on full ect.. I need something more, and since it's currently underpowered for my use, i was thinking to add enough power to avoid comming to that conclusion again.

with a 90 HP E-tec i think the boat would accomodate 4 divers with twin tanks and stage bootles, maybe even a driver. 4 divers with twin tanks can just barely get on the plane with the 65HP. It doesn't leave much flexibility when the waves are rising, or even if some divers are the heavy duty type (+90 kg).

I know the obvious answer would be to buy a bigger boat, but then everything else gets bigger as well. Bigger trailer, garage, car, fuelconsumption, ensurance, and last but not least PRICE......

I understand the point about chine walking, but it only happens if you go high/max speed, right ?

The SR have a quite narrow and steap hull, so i my oppinion it needs relatively large engine not to be underpowered. With enough power the water ballast system would actually be usefull also. At the moment i have closed the hull on my boat.
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Old 16 September 2010, 06:04   #4
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with that much weight you won't need the ballast system!

Whilst the engine weight is just over, combined with the power being over as well. Irrespective of what you put by the transom, or what weight you have carried within the boat before, the issue is how strong the transom is and its fixing to the hull and deck.

If you laden the boat up with 4 divers plus gear plus driver, plus fuel, then Nail the throttle to get it up on the plane, think of the forces involved.

There is a chance the engine will just push through the transom and crack it. You will end up having to buy a 5.4 or bigger anyway, but with no decent boat to part ex. 4.7's are like rocking horse poo. (rare) and command a price similar to the plentiful 5.4s. Reason is they fit in a garage, so most urban dwellers can't use the 5.4. I think you could do a great deal selling it and buying a 5.4 then purchasing your etec 90 and have one v nice boat. Specced to its limit.

I'm no engineer but my thoughts are that you are pushing a hull and transom beyond its capabilities. There are more knowledgeable people on here though who will no doubt assist.
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I'm no expert but prior to buying my 4.7 SR I spend night after night searching and reading archived topics on all things Searider - IIRC consensus was the weight/power limit is there for a reason. Maybe try a different prop first on your existing engine would be a lot easier/cheaper?
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I get your point. Anyway if it was totally obvious for me i would just do it.

The thing is that the SR4.7 and SR5.4 are identical if you disregard the length. The dimensions of the transom and the mounting to the boat are the same.

Ok - i have not disasembled both boats and checked the inside, but i have seen both types in real life. I don't see any difference what so ever. I think the 0.7 meter of extra fibreglass in the front is what justifies the CE marking for 90 HP on the 5.4 meter (longer boat = better stability).


Has anybody in here any exprience on the topics ? (larger / heavier engine than specified)
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I'm no expert but prior to buying my 4.7 SR I spend night after night searching and reading archived topics on all things Searider - IIRC consensus was the weight/power limit is there for a reason. Maybe try a different prop first on your existing engine would be a lot easier/cheaper?
Hi Max,

actually i did quite a lot of trial and error on the prop side.

16" alu -> too big (top speed 36 knots)
15" alu -> too big
12-16" adjustable Carbon -> ok size, but performance wise it's average

11 1/8 x 14 Stainless -> optimal for my use (topspeed only 32 knots, but very nice ability to accelerate with a lot of weight).
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E-Tec 90

I reckon the E-Tec 90 is a good bet for your boat. The power to weight ratio is very good and if you are using it for diving in cold water one always seems to have lots of weight onboard and the extra oompf is appreciated. I owned 2 of them for 3 years and they gave me good service. Just note that the actual HP output is not really 90HP - its more like 80 to 85HP as the block is the same as the E-Tec 75 just mapped/tuned up a bit. If you do decide to go for it then have a look at the E-Tec owners forum for detail about setting it up with the correct battery/fuel filter/fuel hose/prop as those things make all the difference with getting E-Tecs to perform.

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I reckon the E-Tec 90 is a good bet for your boat. The power to weight ratio is very good and if you are using it for diving in cold water one always seems to have lots of weight onboard and the extra oompf is appreciated. I owned 2 of them for 3 years and they gave me good service. Just note that the actual HP output is not really 90HP - its more like 80 to 85HP as the block is the same as the E-Tec 75 just mapped/tuned up a bit. If you do decide to go for it then have a look at the E-Tec owners forum for detail about setting it up with the correct battery/fuel filter/fuel hose/prop as those things make all the difference with getting E-Tecs to perform.

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you're right... the 4.7 tends to get a bit packed when loading all the gear, that exactly why i'm dreaming about the extra power.
Have anybody measured that it's not giving 90 HP ? I know it's the same engine but different SW or whatever...
In dk the price of the 90 is 26% higher than the 75, i don't know the reason, it's strange. Even the 115 is cheaper than the 90 (-6%)....
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Sell your boat as it is, & buy a bigger one that WILL take all your divers in comfort & put the V4 115 etec on it, a much better engine than the I3 90hp. You will be happier with the end result, i.e. a boat that does what you need it to do & not an overpowered one that doesn't.
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