Some newbie questions

Tight Fart · 14 July 2004, 10:51

Took my Rib out for the first time on saturday (Bradwell marina) and have a couple of questions that someone should be able to help me with on here.
First it's a 4.5 metre Quicksilver about 4 years old, with a 50 hp Johnson 2 stroke unkown age but I guess 10 to 12 years.
We had a hell of a job getting it to start changed the pugs etc. then I moved a small red lever on a solinode and bang it fired up next try, afterwards I was told I should push the key in when starting from cold as it has a preheater like a deisel

are these 2 things connected and if so what are they?.
second while this was going on we were slowly sinking

well not quite but the boat was filling up through the valve at the back that I guess should be a one way, at best it's a two way but it didn't seem to let anything out once on the move. Should this have a plug on the inside when the boat is stationary?
And last, once back out and on the trailor there was a constant flow from a drain hole underneath the above non working valve. now am I correct in thinking that that should have a plug in to seal at all times and only be removed now and again to let any out that has leaked into the hull?

Alan · 14 July 2004, 10:57

To answer your questions (kinda)...

1) Yes, press in the key to activate CHOKE not preheater. No idea whether this is linked to the red lever on solenoid but most "old tech" outboards work this way.

2) What sort of valve do you have? Is it the "ping pong ball" in a cup type or an elephants trunk or other? Sounds like its definately not working the way intended!

3) Sounds like the drain hole for the hull. Yes it should have a bung in it!!

HTH,
Alan

Wayne Rogers · 14 July 2004, 11:02

Sounds to me that the one way valves on your self bailing system have packed up,the rubber valves have proberly gone stiff stopping them from closing/opening.Had to replace mine on a new Rib as they didn't work,best scuppers to use are the one's with the ball inside can't remember make but they work great.As for the water dripping from the hole above sounds to me it's the drain hole from your engine well(if it has one)this will fill when going astern and emtpy afterwards.

Tight Fart · 14 July 2004, 12:31

Many thanks for the above, all helps.
The valve is a diaphagm type (small rubber disk over mesh)
I'll get it changed and a bung for the hull.

Daniel TD5 · 14 July 2004, 13:02

sorry we missed you we came out of bradwell on saturday as well

that
Daniel TD5 vailant 4.5
phil davies searider 4.0

the engine i think as a choke which you press the key in my new mariner as about 8 pushs then works fine i allso have a choke lever which i pull out from the control on the consul it make a hell of a diffence to starting

water in hull i would strip down the one way valve and clean it out
my vailant as the same and gets block with bits of rubbish i allso have a plug
on the out side for nice days when you dont need a self bailer

as for the hole in the hull i think they should be pluged and only drained out on land or you will sink big time with your hull full of water the self bailer would be lower and take on lots of water

dan

Nick Hearne · 14 July 2004, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Daniel TD5

as for the hole in the hull i think they should be pluged and only drained out on land or you will sink big time with your hull full of water the self bailer would be lower and take on lots of water

dan

Sink that with those big tubes full of air!
I think not!
Nick

Daniel TD5 · 14 July 2004, 13:25

all right nick

you won,t be joining the titanic but you will get wet feet as i found out when i left my self bailer plug out when eating lunch got nice wet feet

Tight Fart · 14 July 2004, 13:29

Thanks Daniel, we will try again at Bradwell this weekend as well (pending weather) any good shops in Essex for those bits? (plugs, valve etc.)

Daniel TD5 · 14 July 2004, 13:48

try IBS they are an inporter of the bruswick group to the uk

vailant
quicksilver

and lot of spare they are at south woodham ferrers

http://www.ibs-boats.co.uk

dan

Nick Hearne · 14 July 2004, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel TD5

all right nick

you won,t be joining the titanic but you will get wet feet as i found out when i left my self bailer plug out when eating lunch got nice wet feet

DT sorry for being so pedantic!
Nick

swginn · 14 July 2004, 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel TD5

i allso have a choke lever which i pull out from the control on the consul it make a hell of a diffence to starting

If you are referring to the lever that you lift up, behind the throttle it is the fast idle lever (like revving an engine in neutral), not a choke lever. Should be used to warm up the engine in neutral and the revs gradually reduced as it heats up using the lever.

Tight Fart · 14 July 2004, 17:28

That makes more sense, the guy I got the boat from said the lift up lever was the choke.

Daniel TD5 · 14 July 2004, 18:24

choke fast idle all the same in my book

i will say each engine is a one off and its has a knack to starting from cold
and then you master it end of problems for ever

untill you flood it

dan

Paul F · 14 July 2004, 21:19

Hi there
The little red lever you refer to, if it is a small plastic lever on the engine then it is the manual choke should you have a flat battery or a break in the ignition system. Normal starting from cold is turn key and push in at same time to activate choke once running use fast idle lever on control box to increase RPM whilst remaining in neutral.
Paul