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Old 04 March 2003, 14:08   #1
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Solent Hazards

Would welcome some advise on cruising around Solent area, usually only do Warsash to Cowes / Osborne area, longest trip was to Yarmouth / Needles.

Seem to manage to miss Warsash spit, Bramble bank and Calshot spit probably more by luck than judgement and getting away with it for last 10 years

As well as physical obsticals interested to hear of cetain dangerous tide/wind combinations in certain areas which are notorious and best avoided

Even on Sunday afternoon wind died off to leave a very flat looking Solent so nipped over to Cowes briefly, one minute flat next you hit some tide against wave/wind giving a quite eery short steep wave

many people say the Solent is sheltered I actually think it has some peculiar waves (further confused by jet ferry wash) and can get quite rough ?

Any other definate No No's I should know about
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Old 04 March 2003, 14:50   #2
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Matiboy,

If you are coming from Bembridge round to Ryde watch out for the Ryde Sands. Have a look on the chart to see what I mean.

It's not only yachties that get caught out there - I've seen a few ribs as well and if you're going at speed, much damage could ensue
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Matiboy, I've got a copy of the Video "Solent Hazards" (well, it's two videos actually)...

I'ts an aerial view of all the hazards with some great footage of people hitting some of them! (oops, sorry if anyone was the yachtie who spectacularly hit the ledge just off the needles!).

Send me a PM if you want to borrow it.
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Yep found them ( Ryde Sands ) fortunately was at anchor, came back from fish and chips to find someone had pulled the plug out, gave me a few more hours to sightsee Ryde though
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Solent Hazards

Hi Matiboy,

If you venture further East towards Langstone Harbour watch out for the East/West Winner Sand Banks. These banks can catch out the unlucky few each and every year.

Also don't forget the submarine blocks just east of South Parade Pier they are very large concrete blocks laid for about a mile offshore with navigation gates spaced at intervals.

Further East towards Chichester Harbour big Sand Bar at Entrance, can be extremely rough at times.

If I am running around a low tide I stay at least a mile off just playing it safe & keep my sounder on at all times.

Hope this helps you.
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Matiboy - your PM box is full! (And out of idle curiosity, how many PMs can you get before it fills up?)

Also I'll state the absolutely obvious... The Submarine barrier. (Anyone know how deep underwater it it?)
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had 47 sent items and about 30 received

I guess its best practice to not save a copy of your messages sent and delete unimportant ones sent
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Hazards

Hazards in the Portsmouth area from Hayling/Bemberidge to Gilkicker Point/Ryde


Area hazards

Shipping

The entire area of operation is used continuously by shipping of all types. Large shipping remains within the shipping lanes marked by Bouyage. Small boats will use the entire solent

The small ships lane for Portsmouth harbour is on the Port side as you enter.

Within Portsmouth Harbour stay clear of Navy vessels
Within Portsmouth Harbour watch for the green Gosport Ferries that run across the harbour constantly, and move quickly.

Camber dock, the location of the Primary Slipway in Portsmouth is also the mooring point for the Isle of White car ferries, which enter/leave the dock regularly. These ferries cause wash with their bow thrusters that can push a boat off course easily. Signs that they are about to move are: bow thruster activity, no mooring lines and the ships captain standing on the side bridge looking at the surrounding waters.

Large tankers passing through the Solent to and from Southampton. Appropriate clearance should be given.

Fast hovercrafts run regularly between Southsea beach and Ryde

Others

Hamilton Bank Ė gets very shallow although rarely dries. Large craft will avoid crossing it, donít get in their way.

West of Portsmouth Harbour a post shows the limit of the submerged structure of HMS Dolphin.

Unlit yellow bouys off Spit Bank Fort mark the Mary Rose stay 300m clear.

Horse Sand Barrier Ė Sub Marine Barrier: runs between Horse Sand Fort and Southsea beach just east of Southsea Pier. This is made of submerged concrete blocks marked by posts. They are visible when the tide is low and can damage a boat if run over at all states of tide. Pass through the barrier at either the inner or outer passages which are marked by port and starboard post marks.

A long thin spit called the Debnigo extends like a snake from Puckpool point to No Manís Land Fort, this should be avoided.

Ryde sands: These extend some way out to sea and gets very shallow or can dry in parts. The extent of the hazard is marked by posts.

Fishermen: The solent is a popular shore fishing site. Keep an eye out for lines, especially entering or exiting Portsmouth Harbour, or around Southsea beach and Gilkicker Point.

Tides and Weather

The Solent is subject to strong tides, especially in the mouths of either Portsmouth of Langstone Harbours. At times large standing waves can be seen it both entrances and can easily knock a boat to one side or overturn small craft.

Tide, wind and shallow conditions can result in some large chop making the Solent a hostile place. This chop can be disturbed and difficult to read. Care should be taken when the chop combines with the wake from a passing ferry, as this makes conditions more extreme. However if you hug the coastline calm conditions can normally be found, but watch for grounding near the shore.


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Re: Hazards

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Tide, wind and shallow conditions can result in some large chop making the Solent a hostile place. This chop can be disturbed and difficult to read. Care should be taken when the chop combines with the wake from a passing ferry, as this makes conditions more extreme. However if you hug the coastline calm conditions can normally be found, but watch for grounding near the shore.
Would agree with you on this point in a 5 metre rib some of these sudden wave formations can be quite alarming. Rember once cutting across Calshot spit at high water, wont do that again hit sudden short steep waves which werent pleasant

Have also experienced wind against tide coming in and out of langstone on a dart catamaran, the hulls were permantly underwater because of huge rolling waves

You would have thought the council would do something about these waves !! We dont expect potholes on our roads.

Never having gone offshore at all or behind the Island would I be right in saying that the waves would develop more of a regular pattern possibly with a larger swell ?
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The best thing for you to do is find someone who knows the area well and ask them to take you for ride in your boat. As others have said, there are many hazards in the Solent but if the raggies can do it so can you. Alan P
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