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Old 05 March 2003, 08:17   #11
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The back of the Wight has the potential of large rolling waves from the S, SW which are far easiler to read, however there are areas of disturbance around St Catherines Pont and St Catherines deep. The tide causes some fun conditions, especially if the wind is Easterly or Westerly.

Also as I said earlier that hugging the coast in the Solent can help but at times you can get wave reflection off the shore that hits the oncoming waves and that can be very interesting. The best place I have seen that is off Gosport in a SE wind.

As Alan said it's all manageable if you have the correct boat, good wet weather gear and use the throttle to match the conditions. It's all these conditons that make the Solent interesting and a great playground to learn. People slag the Solent, but its a great place with a massive variety of stuff to see and do.

Then for the real fun, night work adds another great dimension and skills challange. The eastern Solent is very well lit in terms of bouyage and light from the shore. The Western Solent becomes very dark as there are much less light sources.
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Old 24 September 2004, 15:35   #12
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Horse Sand Barrier

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Hazards in the Portsmouth area from Hayling/Bemberidge to Gilkicker Point/Ryde

Horse Sand Barrier – Sub Marine Barrier: runs between Horse Sand Fort and Southsea beach just east of Southsea Pier. This is made of submerged concrete blocks marked by posts. They are visible when the tide is low and can damage a boat if run over at all states of tide. Pass through the barrier at either the inner or outer passages which are marked by port and starboard post marks.
Has each block got a post that is visible at high tide? Can you always see enough to pass between them or should you always take the Boat Passages what ever the tide? Do Jet skiers use them as a slalom course?
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Old 24 September 2004, 15:39   #13
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Has each block got a post that is visible at high tide? Nope
Can you always see enough to pass between them Nope or should you always take the Boat Passages what ever the tide? Yup, most advisable
All very clearly marked on the appropriate chart (recommended reading)

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Old 24 September 2004, 17:25   #14
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Has each block got a post that is visible at high tide? Can you always see enough to pass between them or should you always take the Boat Passages what ever the tide? Do Jet skiers use them as a slalom course?
Use the boat channels, they are easy to see and dont take you out of your way.
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If you are mainly concerned with central solent ie. southampton water to cowes then be careful of shipping as their are many single screw ships that do not have much manourveribilty.

With regards to sea conditions the solent is a tricky piece of water. If you have a spring tide against a force 4 plus then the sea state can become very choppy with the frequency between waves being short and sea becomes very confused especially when their is lots of traffic.

Areas to be careful of in this area of the solent is Calshot Spit, Prince consort and egypt point as the tides run very strong in these areas and when the wind is against them then you will get high crests usually breaking.

Another point worth noting is If you decide to venture out to the needle through hurst straights and the tide is with the wind it will seem nice and calm. If the tide then turns while you are out their then hurst is not a place to be if you and your crew are not competant in rough water. Therefore plan your trip so that you get the tides and winds correct.

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Has each block got a post that is visible at high tide? Can you always see enough to pass between them or should you always take the Boat Passages what ever the tide? Do Jet skiers use them as a slalom course?
Nope, only the ends are obvious, one is a fort and the other the beach. the sub marine barrier has a bend in it near the fort. Each block is about the size of a rib with a similar size gap in between but its very rare to be able to see them. Use the channel about half way if you want to cross the barrier. Did put some divers on them but it wasn't up to much.

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With regard to the needles,conditions in the needles channel can be very bad in a strong south westerly.A 36 foot sailing boat from Fairview Sailing was overcome there in February 97,it was found drifting dismasted in the Solent with the remainder of the crew in a bad state,3 died.
I have been told that if conditions are bad,the inshore passage hugging Hurst Castle should be used.
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With regard to the needles,conditions in the needles channel can be very bad in a strong south westerly.A 36 foot sailing boat from Fairview Sailing was overcome there in February 97,it was found drifting dismasted in the Solent with the remainder of the crew in a bad state,3 died.
I have been told that if conditions are bad,the inshore passage hugging Hurst Castle should be used.
That is correct but if the conditions at the needles are that bad then Hurst will be bad aswell. If going through hurst then do not go too close to the mainland side as their are some shallows know as the trap.

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All the replies are very good and highlight areas in the Solent that are dangerous in certain sea conditions, a basic navigation course ie Dayskipper will teach you how to read a chart and passage planning , pilotage ,shapes and symbols along with chart work courses to steer and so on and the most important one tides the book by Peter Bruce SOLENT HAZARDS is excellent,
better still would be to invest in some training a level 2 course would be a excellent starting point and cruising in company another option if you are reluctant to undertake training lots of people have benifited from this, as it adds confidence and a good social outing Richard and Louise and also the Jackeens seem to be the main organisers of such events and are very nice friendly people. Please dont take this post the wrong way i am not having a go at you re your question but just feel that you would enjoy your boating if you had a bit better knowlege and you would get more enjoyment from it.
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Tim,

I have got Peter Bruce's book and have got RYA level 2 and have been thwarted twice from having a cruise with Louise & Richard. I will get there one day!

I fancied a trip out to the forts some time and the book, being really written for yotties, wasn't too clear if a shallow draughted motor boat need worry about the barrier, hence the question to the forum. I just wanted to be sure how to plan my route.

This forum is great because it answers questions that you didn't ask but when you see the answers your realise you should have. (eg the hurst castle/needles stuff - I was planning a trip out there too.)

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