Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 19 July 2007, 08:19   #1
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
Quote:
Originally Posted by BogMonster View Post
what's the bembridge ledge, a hidden reef?

hope they find the woman...
Stephen,

There are plenty of these ledges around the IOW, along with all the sand banks, thats what can make this area very dangerous. Not only do you get shallow rock formations you also get the resultant dangerous wave patterns that go with them.

Sad news indeed.

Nick R.
__________________

__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 08:36   #2
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: bicester, Oxford
Boat name: mach1
Make: avon SR5.4
Length: 5m +
Engine: 90hp yamaha
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 177
I have tended to avoid that area on all tides and steer down the channel turning around the cardinal marks, i have seen on many occasions all soughts of boats driving straight down the middle, I have avoided the temptation to follow.

does the ledge show its self at low tide or does it remain submerged. If it stays submerged it would explain at high tides why people take this route.

Also are there other places to avoid like this in the Solent.
__________________

__________________
ian mcconnell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 08:43   #3
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
Ian quite a lot of it drys out but not all of it. It also runs South West for some quite considerable distance. Like you I try and stay to the deeper water and use the Cardinal mark to navigate that area. I have seen plenty of people cut it with no problems but I would need to be sure what I was doing before I knowingly did that sort of thing.

Other places worth watching out for include:-

A massive rock on a sandbank 1/2 mile off shore west of Langstone Entrance.

The submarine barrier at Southsea.

Sandbanks at Chichester, Langstone, Ryde, Warsash. Seems like every harbour entrance has sandbanks which can cause problems.

Hopefully someone else will post a few more.

Nick R.
__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 08:51   #4
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Yarmouth, IoW
Boat name: 7up
Make: Ribeye Sport
Length: 6m +
Engine: Merc 150 Opti
MMSI: 235057812
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 133
Loads on the Island side of the solent!
From needles to cowes -
Warden Pt, Black rock, Hamstead,Salt Mead, Gurnard all have an offlying rock form.
Don't even look at going close in on the South West side unless you have a detailed chart, or a good local with you.

You don't need to go as far out as the cardinals or cans though in most places at most states of the tide - check a chart first. I won't post my view /what I do as it will probably come back to bite me!
__________________
genoa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 09:14   #5
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Poole
Make: Aquaflyte
Length: 6m +
Engine: Merc 90 2Str
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 416
Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles View Post

Hopefully someone else will post a few more.

Nick R.
A few Poole based ones:

- Hook Sands just to the eastern side of Poole Harbour entrance
- Stone Island (rocks and sandbar) on the western side of the main channel as you enter Poole Harbour before you get to Brownsea
- The Training bank that runs in a straight line from the end of Shell Bay towards Old Harry rocks (marked with a line of poles)
- Anywhere in between the Main, North and Wych channels within Poole Harbour
__________________
Andrew

Also a member of the ebay Blue RIB cover club
AndrewH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 09:57   #6
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Yarmouth, IoW
Boat name: 7up
Make: Ribeye Sport
Length: 6m +
Engine: Merc 150 Opti
MMSI: 235057812
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 133
Reading

2 very good books :
Wight Hazards and Solent Hazards, both by Peter Bruce, give some great arial photos of some of the best/worst bits and very useful narative on transits etc to help avoid them on the water ...
__________________
genoa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 10:15   #7
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
Quote:
Originally Posted by genoa View Post
2 very good books :
Wight Hazards and Solent Hazards, both by Peter Bruce, give some great arial photos of some of the best/worst bits and very useful narative on transits etc to help avoid them on the water ...
Agreed. As a pair they are quite expensive. Anyone got a cheap source for them please PM me.

NR.
__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 10:17   #8
Member
 
Richard B's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Devon
Boat name: White Ice
Make: Ranieri
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 115hp
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,015
I have the video which is currently with Hugh Jardon.
Richard B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 11:00   #9
Member
 
Hugh Jardon's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Reading, Hants
Boat name: Juicy
Make: Sealine F43
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2 x 370hp
MMSI: TBC
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,882
we must get together for a beer so i can give you your vids back, i have only had them for the last 15 years!!!!!

i think i might study em again a couple of time first!

terrible news below,,,,hope they find her
__________________
Hugh Jardon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 12:15   #10
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: bicester, Oxford
Boat name: mach1
Make: avon SR5.4
Length: 5m +
Engine: 90hp yamaha
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 177
Keep the info coming Guys and Girls, as an Oxford boy i only get to see the Solent mainly at high tide & through my plotter, thankfully i went on my intermediate Power boat course before i started to venture out too far which gave me a good understanding of maps, tides & navigation. But ive got to say even the chap i purchased the engine from knew no more than how to start it and how fast it went, had no life jackets, maps or plotter, he had owned the speed boat for 2 years and regularly ventured around the solent

Worrying isnt it
__________________
ian mcconnell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 12:39   #11
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
Ian,

If not sure about hazards in the Solent of which there are many. Some of which are a long way from the shore. Stick to the marked channels which the big boats use.

Better safe than sorry.


Nick R.
__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 14:22   #12
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Dorset & Hants
Boat name: Streaker/Orange
Make: Avon/Ribcraft
Length: 4m +
Engine: 50Yam/25 Mariner
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,551
I have been flying over the solent for many years at low altitude and there are a lot of things out there that are not shown on the charts as as dangerous as they are. Hard to tell if thelack of life jackets contributed ( again ! ) to the problem.

Even on nice days when nothing breaks / fails you can get hurt . !
__________________
PeterM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 19:18   #13
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: swansea
Boat name: Too Blue
Make: BLANK
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki DT225
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 12,791
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackroady View Post
I have been flying over the solent for many years at low altitude and there are a lot of things out there that are not shown on the charts as as dangerous as they are. Hard to tell if thelack of life jackets contributed ( again ! ) to the problem.

Even on nice days when nothing breaks / fails you can get hurt . !
Possibly they didn't have lifejackets on as they were trying to free the prop???
__________________
codprawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19 July 2007, 19:21   #14
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
Quote:
Originally Posted by codprawn View Post
Possibly they didn't have lifejackets on as they were trying to free the prop???
All boats carry rope. You would have thought they would have tied themselves on if going overboard !

The eyewitness states that it all happened quickly so untying the prop doesn't seem to be the case.
__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20 July 2007, 06:03   #15
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: southampton
Make: ribeye
Length: 6m +
Engine: 140 suzuki
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 266
My favourite haunt is Thorness Bay on the Island (holiday hut on the cliff) where the reef goes out quite a long way into the bay. The one off Gurnard is well known about and boats seem to keep clear of that one.

I have seen two accidents in Thorness Bay. Both were ribs coming for a days water skiing. All seems perfect as the bay is quite sheltered and whilst the tide is up, no problem. One moment their bombing about towing skier thinking 'this is the reason we spend loads-a-money on ribs', the next run round, smack, the prop is smashed Being single engined there was a lot of red faces.The tide does not have to have been going out for long and the reef is not exsposed. It's just very shallow on one side very quickly.

Although lobster pots are a complete menace (espcially the half submerged ones and at night) they do give you some idea of hidden problems, as the locals will put them around the ledges of the reef.

My heart goes out to the families of those involved, as I know I have done some stupid things when I'm afloat.
__________________
ribber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20 July 2007, 07:41   #16
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Stanley, Falkland Is
Boat name: Seawolf
Make: Osprey Vipermax 5.8
Length: 5m +
Engine: Etec 150
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,709
Admiralty charts are certainly not all they are cracked up to be. There's a bay not far from town which has a lot of kelp in it but I thought might be good for a jaunt one day when the weather was fit. Was down there one day watching some big breakers coming in and realised some of them were breaking and exposing a reef of rocks almost right across the entrance to the bay, which are really not marked at all on the chart (there is a rock shown in 2 places!) its just shown as kelp!
__________________
A Boat is a hole in the water, surrounded by fibreglass, into which you throw money...

Sent from my Computer, using a keyboard and mouse
BogMonster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20 July 2007, 08:56   #17
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Yarmouth, IoW
Boat name: 7up
Make: Ribeye Sport
Length: 6m +
Engine: Merc 150 Opti
MMSI: 235057812
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 133
Quote:
Originally Posted by BogMonster View Post
There's a bay not far from town ..
Err, which town? Is it somewhere anyone would spend much time, unless they had to? How long do you think the survey ships would spend?

As I've said elsewhere, notify the Hydrographers Dept, and I'm sure they'll put a note on, just in case anyone else visits your way!
__________________
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough."
- Mario Andretti
genoa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20 July 2007, 10:21   #18
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Woking
Boat name: Spook
Make: Bombard 640
Length: 6m +
Engine: 115 Johnson 4 stroke
MMSI: 235055542
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 30
The Brambles Bank! Slap bang in the middle of the solent and dries at certain states of tide
__________________
simonmcnamara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20 July 2007, 10:23   #19
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
Quote:
Originally Posted by simonmcnamara View Post
The Brambles Bank! Slap bang in the middle of the solent and dries at certain states of tide
And certainly gives you a shock when your sat in the middle of the Solent just drifting and suddenly see the depth gauge registering 1 meter.
__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20 July 2007, 12:49   #20
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Stanley, Falkland Is
Boat name: Seawolf
Make: Osprey Vipermax 5.8
Length: 5m +
Engine: Etec 150
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,709
Quote:
Originally Posted by genoa View Post
Err, which town? Is it somewhere anyone would spend much time, unless they had to? How long do you think the survey ships would spend?
No I daresay it isn't, but in a way that is the point! Admiralty charts are probably considered by many to be the bible, whereas the folks who surveyed that probably thought "bugger that - looks like too much kelp in there" and moved on. The question really is where is the line drawn between "well there isn't much traffic around here so we'll skip that bit" and doing it properly.
__________________

__________________
A Boat is a hole in the water, surrounded by fibreglass, into which you throw money...

Sent from my Computer, using a keyboard and mouse
BogMonster is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:55.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×