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Old 25 April 2009, 08:31   #11
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voids in gellcoat doesn't usually bubble up, you don't find them till you hit them, it's osmosis, don't worry about them
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Old 25 April 2009, 17:40   #12
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voids in gellcoat doesn't usually bubble up, you don't find them till you hit them, it's osmosis, don't worry about them
wow - osmosis diagnosis without ever seeing it or having a detailed description of the problem... ...makes you wonder why people fork out for surveyors fees.
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i've been doing grp for as long as you've been torkin bollox
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wow - osmosis diagnosis without ever seeing it or having a detailed description of the problem... ...makes you wonder why people fork out for surveyors fees.
Quite right - he may well have a dose of the pox!!!
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i've been doing grp for as long as you've been torkin bollox
and that helps you (and all the others on here who categorically diagnosed it as osmosis without seeing any pictures, detail) to have some sort of telepathic power - or did you just assume that because the non-expert used the word that those in the industry use to describe the symptoms of osmosis - that he must be describing exactly the same phenomenon.

It may be osmotic blisters.
It may be gel coat bubbles.
It may be flakey antifouling.

Or quite possible any number of other problems that an expert like yourself might be able to help him fix, but a non-expert might describe as a "blister".
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and that helps you (and all the others on here who categorically diagnosed it as osmosis without seeing any pictures, detail) to have some sort of telepathic power - or did you just assume that because the non-expert used the word that those in the industry use to describe the symptoms of osmosis - that he must be describing exactly the same phenomenon.

It may be osmotic blisters.
It may be gel coat bubbles.
It may be flakey antifouling.

Or quite possible any number of other problems that an expert like yourself might be able to help him fix, but a non-expert might describe as a "blister".
gell coat doesn't bubble without something underneath pushing it up (osmosis) and flakey antifoul is exactly that, flakey, no bubbles, his own words were bubbles that are dry inside, not antifoul, so i stand by what i said, i do know what i'm talking about and i've told him, nothing to worry about and no i don't want to help him fix it because it's isn't that serious on a boat that size that isn't in the water for any length of time, there isn't much else it can be, so i'm not being smart or reading minds i'm applying what i know and i know one other thing, you can be a right knob sometimes
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gell coat doesn't bubble without something underneath pushing it up (osmosis) and flakey antifoul is exactly that, flakey, no bubbles, his own words were bubbles that are dry inside, not antifoul, so i stand by what i said, i do know what i'm talking about and i've told him, nothing to worry about and no i don't want to help him fix it because it's isn't that serious on a boat that size that isn't in the water for any length of time, there isn't much else it can be, so i'm not being smart or reading minds i'm applying what i know and i know one other thing, you can be a right knob sometimes
Biffer - not doubting your expertise, or trying to start an argument - but was trying to point out that a "laymans" description of blister may not be what springs to mind when you hear it - especially since they are also described as bubbles and are apparently dry inside. And of course the fact that osmosis is rare on ribs compared to yachts as they tend to spend less of their life continually immersed.

I've certainly seen other faults on the finish of boats which I could imagine being loosely described as blisters by someone who was new to boats and didn't know the alarm bells it would ring. But lets not get into a tit for tat argument.
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dealt with laymen for over 35 years in various ways, what he describes as blisters are the same as the trade describe them, the only other thing it could be is contamination between the two gell coats or if the gell was left in the mould without mat being layed for sometime, but i've never seen it as small blisters or bubbles usually bigger sections and confined to one area, if the boats not been in the water for a long time they will be dry,there shouldn't be any alarm bells ringing as what we've told him is almost surely true, but i'll have a deal with you, if you want to pay for his survey, if they find it to be different to what i've told him i'll repair for nothing
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dealt with laymen for over 35 years in various ways, what he describes as blisters are the same as the trade describe them
theres no point arguing with you - but since you haven't seen them you have no idea what he is describing as blisters... you only know what you think he is describing
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no - I just want him to post some photos so people can confirm that they appear to be osmotic blisters.
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theres no point arguing with you - but since you haven't seen them you have no idea what he is describing as blisters... you only know what you think he is describingno - I just want him to post some photos so people can confirm that they appear to be osmotic blisters.
No, there's no point arguing with you. He's right. It ain't chicken pox, it's on a frp boat!
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