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Old 10 September 2007, 04:45   #1
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Slipway Priority, (Northney)

A question about slipway priority preferences.

I came back into Northney Marina yesterday, (Sunday 9th) after a day on the Solent. As predicated there were a large number of boats waiting to recover at the slipway, so a wait was inevitable.

The collection of boaters waiting, seemed to be operating a system of first BOAT arriving back, first out. While this seems fair on the surface, in practice it was to my mind causing huge delays.

Some people had their trailers stored at the top of the slipway with car attached, others were a 5 minute walk away. Thus, cars and trailers ready to pull out at the top of the slipway had to wait for the ‘next’ boat in line’s crew to return with their trailer. The result was longer than necessary periods when the slipway was not in use!

I will admit that since my boat was ready to pull out and I was there with car and trailer and no-one else was, I used one of these periods to get my boat out, being accused of ‘pushing in'.

Think about this people, and this applies at any slipway. Surely, the most economical use of time is to tie up your boat anywhere, not necessarily one behind the other in line, and go get your trailer. Trailers could be anywhere and people get them ready at different speeds. When you’re ready to recover, GET IN THE TRAILER LINE! When the car/trailer in front of you is pulling out their boat, advise your crew that they are next and to get ready. This way its one car up, next one down – Slipway in constant use. Everyone goes home quicker!

This also allows for people to LAUNCH in turn too, (as someone was trying to against the intermittent flow on Sunday). OK, for single handed crew, car & trailer will sit on the slipway while you get back in your boat but that’s better than everyone waiting while you fetch your trailer too!

I might also add that at least one hard boat only arrived back at Northney ‘first’ by paying total disregard to the Harbour Speed Limit as it zoomed past me and another boat at 15 knots plus. Using the trailer first method may resist the temptation to speed too!

Thoughts please,

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A question about slipway priority preferences.

I came back into Northney Marina yesterday, (Sunday 9th) after a day on the Solent. As predicated there were a large number of boats waiting to recover at the slipway, so a wait was inevitable.

The collection of boaters waiting, seemed to be operating a system of first BOAT arriving back, first out. While this seems fair on the surface, in practice it was to my mind causing huge delays.

Some people had their trailers stored at the top of the slipway with car attached, others were a 5 minute walk away. Thus, cars and trailers ready to pull out at the top of the slipway had to wait for the ‘next’ boat in line’s crew to return with their trailer. The result was longer than necessary periods when the slipway was not in use!

I will admit that since my boat was ready to pull out and I was there with car and trailer and no-one else was, I used one of these periods to get my boat out, being accused of ‘pushing in'.

Think about this people, and this applies at any slipway. Surely, the most economical use of time is to tie up your boat anywhere, not necessarily one behind the other in line, and go get your trailer. Trailers could be anywhere and people get them ready at different speeds. When you’re ready to recover, GET IN THE TRAILER LINE! When the car/trailer in front of you is pulling out their boat, advise your crew that they are next and to get ready. This way its one car up, next one down – Slipway in constant use. Everyone goes home quicker!

This also allows for people to LAUNCH in turn too, (as someone was trying to against the intermittent flow on Sunday). OK, for single handed crew, car & trailer will sit on the slipway while you get back in your boat but that’s better than everyone waiting while you fetch your trailer too!

I might also add that at least one hard boat only arrived back at Northney ‘first’ by paying total disregard to the Harbour Speed Limit as it zoomed past me and another boat at 15 knots plus. Using the trailer first method may resist the temptation to speed too!

Thoughts please,

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Old 10 September 2007, 05:04   #3
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Pray tell......

I launched at Penmarlam Quay, River Fowey earlier this year. It was mid week and pouring down and there was only me and one other RIB so no problem... But yes, if you mean Penmarlam that must be a nightmare on a sunny Sunday!

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Similar things have occurred where I launch in Christchurch , but there is a fairly sensible approach - very like the trailer system you mention. You do get the odd twat turn up , reverse down & then start to un-strap , load the boat up , get an ice cream , feed the ducks - oh and then think about launching thier boat as there are 6 other waiting. These are the same people that object when someone asks if they can go in front as they are ready.

Slipways offer a whole new pastime for me when I dont have time to go out myself hours of fun watching - but scares the life out ofme that these poeple cant even launch a boat , let alone safely operate one .

Best was a guy with a nice new 6m + boat , unstrapped , every thing checked out , ready to go , undid the winch strap at the top of the ramp - reversed slowly back , touched the brackes on the car & the boat gracefully rolled off the trailer . Unfortunately the trailer was still at the top of the slip , so a large crurch later & a great photo op of car , trailer , boat - all 30 feet from the water. It really is amazing how strong transomes are !
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Trailer q every time, sitting waiting while the slip is idle aint gonna happen.

The amount of people who turn up on the slips and then prepare boat's/ Trailers you could wait hours, think its all part of the pleasure for em.

Cant say I aint had problems with this approach though, namely salcombe but thats another tale
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Yeah, Penmarlam.
Works something like this:-

Most people tie up on the pontoon, go and get the car/trailer (which are always separate and can take up to 15 minutes), join queue of cars/trailers, back down, recover, drive up. Takes under a minute as long as the boat goes on straight.


However, when the knobs in shite 70's ski boats arrive it goes something like this:-

Dump 2 boats on slipway leaving room for one person to recover. Leave wives/kids with boats to mill around aimlessly. Wander off and get trailer while having many random conversations on the way and take as long as possible.
In comes me-ties up to pontoon,gets car, hitches up trailer, leaves Sixy to reverse trailer down slip while I get the boat. I don't even clock that the knobhead is intending to recover-he's deep in converstion with someone.
Six reverses rig down slipway.As I'm untying the boat, said knobhead finishes his conversation, drives to the slipway,arrives and reverses straight at my car. He doesn't look like he's going to stop either and Sixy hasn't seen him as she's by the trailer.
i shout 'Oi watch out. Whats this f*cking knobhead think he's doing?'
Reply from his wife-'That's my husband'...
Knob misses my car by chance and a bee's dick then tries to push us out of the way (bearing in mind he's taken over half an hour to recover so far) and we've taken under a minute...
Knobs wife has a go at Six because we're apparently blocking the slipway.

Was there a different tale you're thinking of Bedajim? There were quite a few:- German ramming slipway at WOT, fourtrak off the end of the slip and skeg smashing etc etc
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Ramp behavior is like a concentrate of all the aspects of how people operate when underway, the good, the bad and the ugly. West Indian ramp behavior is no exception but the general rule here is that we must subscribe to the concept that time has no value therefore attitude related to its usage is forbidden.

For all the frustration encountered in the process, some of the most entertaining boat related behavior ever witnessed, will be at a ramp. Sit back and enjoy
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A question about slipway priority preferences.

I came back into Northney Marina yesterday, (Sunday 9th) after a day on the Solent. As predicated there were a large number of boats waiting to recover at the slipway, so a wait was inevitable.

The collection of boaters waiting, seemed to be operating a system of first BOAT arriving back, first out. While this seems fair on the surface, in practice it was to my mind causing huge delays.

Some people had their trailers stored at the top of the slipway with car attached, others were a 5 minute walk away. Thus, cars and trailers ready to pull out at the top of the slipway had to wait for the ‘next’ boat in line’s crew to return with their trailer. The result was longer than necessary periods when the slipway was not in use!


I will admit that since my boat was ready to pull out and I was there with car and trailer and no-one else was, I used one of these periods to get my boat out, being accused of ‘pushing in'.

Think about this people, and this applies at any slipway. Surely, the most economical use of time is to tie up your boat anywhere, not necessarily one behind the other in line, and go get your trailer. Trailers could be anywhere and people get them ready at different speeds. When you’re ready to recover, GET IN THE TRAILER LINE! When the car/trailer in front of you is pulling out their boat, advise your crew that they are next and to get ready. This way its one car up, next one down – Slipway in constant use. Everyone goes home quicker!

This also allows for people to LAUNCH in turn too, (as someone was trying to against the intermittent flow on Sunday). OK, for single handed crew, car & trailer will sit on the slipway while you get back in your boat but that’s better than everyone waiting while you fetch your trailer too!

I might also add that at least one hard boat only arrived back at Northney ‘first’ by paying total disregard to the Harbour Speed Limit as it zoomed past me and another boat at 15 knots plus. Using the trailer first method may resist the temptation to speed too!

Thoughts please,

Mike C
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It may be of interest to you that there is another "unofficial" slipway at the back of the dinghy park little used and if the tides are right, with your 4x4, you could avoid the chaos on the other side
Generally at Northney I find recovery fine but on launching you often get folks launching and then just leaving the boat at the bottom of the slip so that others have to wait until owner returns after parking the car, trailer , pack for the weekend, visited the toilets etc etc
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Yeah, Penmarlam.
Works something like this:-

Most people tie up on the pontoon, go and get the car/trailer (which are always separate and can take up to 15 minutes), join queue of cars/trailers, back down, recover, drive up. Takes under a minute as long as the boat goes on straight.


However, when the knobs in shite 70's ski boats arrive it goes something like this:-

Dump 2 boats on slipway leaving room for one person to recover. Leave wives/kids with boats to mill around aimlessly. Wander off and get trailer while having many random conversations on the way and take as long as possible.
In comes me-ties up to pontoon,gets car, hitches up trailer, leaves Sixy to reverse trailer down slip while I get the boat. I don't even clock that the knobhead is intending to recover-he's deep in converstion with someone.
Six reverses rig down slipway.As I'm untying the boat, said knobhead finishes his conversation, drives to the slipway,arrives and reverses straight at my car. He doesn't look like he's going to stop either and Sixy hasn't seen him as she's by the trailer.
i shout 'Oi watch out. Whats this f*cking knobhead think he's doing?'
Reply from his wife-'That's my husband'...
Knob misses my car by chance and a bee's dick then tries to push us out of the way (bearing in mind he's taken over half an hour to recover so far) and we've taken under a minute...
Knobs wife has a go at Six because we're apparently blocking the slipway.

Was there a different tale you're thinking of Bedajim? There were quite a few:- German ramming slipway at WOT, fourtrak off the end of the slip and skeg smashing etc etc
No that’s the one, then you drive off and I back down, one of the wafi knobs backs down in front of me and strips his dinghy loading it piece by piece into the disco totally blocking the slip and me + anyone else
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The collection of boaters waiting, seemed to be operating a system of first BOAT arriving back, first out. . . . I will admit that since my boat was ready to pull out and I was there with car and trailer and no-one else was, I used one of these periods to get my boat out, being accused of ‘pushing in'.
Ludicrous. How can you be pushing in front of someone when they're not ready to recover?

First boat and trailer ready to recover, first out.

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