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Old 03 January 2014, 05:14   #31
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The increased weight of a helmet, can only add to the likelihood of whiplash injuries.
In high speed sports where they are worn (motor racing/offshore power boating), additional neck bracing is also worn. All this must be specifically fitted to the individual, any generic kit, not adjusted correctly will create more problems than it is intended to cure.
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Cookee I was not specifically talking about a Hans Device, more generic neck brace/padding, such as this. I even wear one when racing karts.
My point being that the wearing of helmets on open boats is overkill as a legal requirement
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Why would you want to create more problems for yourself?

Only teasing... I think well designed 'generic' protection is fine, and many have some form of customization, even if it is just different sizes, adjustable straps, removable pads, or inflatable bladders.

In some circumstances (i.e. rough weather) I believe the additional risk of injury from wearing a marine Gecko is much outweighed by the protection it offers from potential weather fatigue / impact injury.
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In some circumstances (i.e. rough weather) I believe the additional risk of injury from wearing a marine Gecko is much outweighed by the protection it offers from potential weather fatigue / impact injury.
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This argument has been going around for years. Every time there is an accident on a yacht caused by an accidental jibe causing a head injury the RYA / Health and safety / press bring out the old arguments about head protection.

The wearing of helmets will probably stay choice rather than become compulsory whilst most of us are still able to enjoy being on the water
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Old 03 January 2014, 06:07   #33
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Our heads do actually have a built in helment - its called the skull

No helmet will stop the brain injury inside your head, unless its about a meter in diameter !
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Old 03 January 2014, 06:22   #34
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Call me fussy, but I'd rather break the sort of helmet that'll allow me to buy a replacement.

With the rest of the appropriate kit, a well-insulated helmet should give you a little extra time in cold water, I'd have thought.

The same as most things, there's a time and a place for them.
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Our heads do actually have a built in helment - its called the skull

No helmet will stop the brain injury inside your head, unless its about a meter in diameter !
Yes, but that implies a sudden and large acceleration/deceleration. Sometimes a helmets usefulness is in providing protection against lesser impacts than such extreme situations.
For me, the weight of a helmet for use in open RIBs is a massive factor. I also feel that many put too much emphasis on protecting the head, and not enough on protecting the neck.
However, my relatively heavy helmet did stop most of what would have surely been a fatal brain injury, but it was designed for the intended use; motorcycling
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Ive tried motorcycling without a helmet - I rode really slowly, so you could argue the helmet made it more risky
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My six year old boy wears a ski helmet on my rib... (those that have seen me helm can understand why). A simple fall or an unintended jolt for timing a wave inncorrectly can make a child (or adult) loose their footing or hold and impact head on boats structure...
Not huge crash type loadings. A light weight helmet may help prevent being stitched up in hospital. Light Ski helmets are very comfy to wear also....
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Ive tried motorcycling without a helmet - I rode really slowly, so you could argue the helmet made it more risky
Or you could argue that if you fell off whilst stopped and banged your head on the kerb, with a helmet no problem, without it will be rather different. Used to live in the states a long time ago, there was no requirement in my state to wear a helmet and I was often ribbed for doing so. Went to the funeral of one of those who did the ribbing who may have survived had he worn a lid. I also had an off myself where I would have almost certainly snuffed it without a helmet.

Having said that, I think that there is a time and place for wearing a helmet on a rib. If you are involved in rescue it's sensible where you may be in close proximity to a vessel with tackle flying about. Otherwise can't see the point, other than some of the previous posts where people find them useful to keep the elements off.
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Two questions
1) Has any member of this form suffered an injury from wearing a proper water sport brain bucket e.g Gecko.
2) Other than mustrib who appears to be an un-lucky B**tard has anyone been saved an injury by the waring of the Brain bucket.

I wear mine for weather protection. but sometimes I feel a bit daft with it on.

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I know one member who face planted his console and smashed the visor off his Gecko. I'd imagine that it would have smarted a touch had he not been wearing the lid.
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