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Old 02 January 2014, 18:48   #21
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Probably a good idea... no point in only having half the gear for rough weather... "just saying like hey t t".... http://cdn.rib.net/forum/attachment....6&d=1388338245
Well you wouldn't know would you I'd say Humber P gets out more often then you lately ... Just saying like Sent from my iPad using Rib.net
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Old 02 January 2014, 19:36   #22
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Well you wouldn't know would you I'd say Humber P gets out more often then you lately ... Just saying like Sent from my iPad using Rib.net
Thats just midgitgating circumstances s Happy New Year
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Old 02 January 2014, 19:41   #23
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Thats just midgitgating circumstances s Happy New Year
Your probably a safer driver Steve. Don't mind him he's jealous!!

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The increased weight of a helmet, can only add to the likelihood of whiplash injuries.
In high speed sports where they are worn (motor racing/offshore power boating), additional neck bracing is also worn. All this must be specifically fitted to the individual, any generic kit, not adjusted correctly will create more problems than it is intended to cure.
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Cookee I was not specifically talking about a Hans Device, more generic neck brace/padding, such as this. I even wear one when racing karts.
My point being that the wearing of helmets on open boats is overkill as a legal requirement
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What happens if you do fall out of your boat while wearing a helmet - it must make swimming harder ?

It always seems that those promoting more safety have little grasp of the real risks and are unwilling to allow individuals to take responsibility themselves.
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What happens if you do fall out of your boat while wearing a helmet - it must make swimming harder ?
I assume you've never tried to swim in a fully inflated lifejacket and waterproofs / dry suit? you're not going anywhere anyway.
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No, not in waterproofs and inflated lifjacket

I have done lots of swimming in a dry suit, being a diver. Ive often done a long surface swims in full kit wearing a dry suit. But I always do it on my back, not fully inflated and wearing fins. Without fins Id do it on my back but use my arms instead. Its slow and hard, but you can move.

I suppose without tying it out most people would not think to deflate and try a different position to swim in.

If I was going to do a long trip in difficult conditions Id consider doing it in a dry suit, not water proofs, just so I could swim if I did go in. I might try it at some point.
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Interesting debate ....

I think there is more than one type/ style/ design of helmet to suit the differing needs - ie an F1 helmet is a very serious bit of design / engineering to withstand the sort of forces it may encounter - its heavy - hence the introduction of the HANS system some years back to avoid the whiplash situation when the driver is very securley strapped to his machine.

Bikes/watersports, climbing etc all have differant 'needs' and potential loads - ie you can't strap a HANS device to anything on a bike , or in a boat etc - so the solution is much like Steves pic or a much lighter helmet to reduce the whiplash situation.

Its a trade off between added weight swinging about and spreading the force of an impact, to giving the 'head' greater time to decelerate etc.

As for them on boats ? Racing yes by all means - Zapcats - yes why not ( I think there may be more whiplash type problems as a result ? )

Normal ' stuff' on a RIB - personal choice seems to work .
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I don't like wearing a helmet, I can hear the sounds of the engines, it's like driving a boat with your fingers in your ears, can't hear bilge pumps running, engines knocking, nothing
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