View Poll Results: Should there be a legally enforced alcohol limit for leisure boaters?
Yes. Legislation is the way forward. 33 32.04%
Don't mind. I don't drink and boat so it won't affect me. 11 10.68%
No. Things are fine as they are. 59 57.28%
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Old 17 August 2007, 17:07   #121
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If I took a gun, and fired randomly into a crowd, but failed to hit anyone, would that mean it's ok, and stopping people firing guns into crowds was an unnesasary piece of ridiculous legislation coz it 'quite clearly isn't dangerous, as I tried & got away with it'....no.

Best thing is, you carry on just as you please.

I'm 'staggered' that an rya trainer thinks it's ok to drink drive a boat.
Not that i am particularly bothered cuz this post means naf to me but here yu are anyway

I like the bit about carrying on as yu pleaze though, wise words Doug.
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Old 18 August 2007, 02:01   #122
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Maybe he can't find it cos it's not there? A few of our posts seem to have succumbed to the "iron fist" of god..............
It's still here as Tims Osprey found. Isn't the search feature great?

I have deleted some of the less enlightening and more inflammatory posts in this thread as it's getting very long and really doesn't need any padding. I haven't deleted anything that's actually relevant to the discussion though.

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Old 18 August 2007, 04:23   #123
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I have to be honest though something that does concern me a bit sometimes is people being in control of 30ft+ class cruisers that have little or no experience with no qualifications, sometimes it can be difficult to spot small craft from the bridge?
So there should be legislation in place to protect yourself and others once you go beyond a certain limit? I couldn't have said it better myself, welcome to the pro side Tim!!
You might want to ask John if you can change your vote.

Thank you for finding the quote too, I'd forgotten about that one.
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Old 18 August 2007, 05:07   #124
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So there should be legislation in place to protect yourself and others once you go beyond a certain limit? I couldn't have said it better myself, welcome to the pro side Tim!!
You might want to ask John if you can change your vote.

Thank you for finding the quote too, I'd forgotten about that one.
yer no worries, my argument has never been against protecting the people, its been about the freedom of the peopleand choice which i feel is important, i don't want to rant on about my political views so i will leave it there on that one.
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I believe the reason why we have Health and safety Regulation is as a direct result of the recomendations of the Cullen Report into the Piper Alpha Tragedy.
Not true, Health and Safety legislation has been around since 1977, Piper Alpha was 1988

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This was probably before your time but an Oil platform caught fire, and because production was more important than safety.
Patronising, I remember the incident well. However its not got much to do with legislation for leisure boating

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The overall manager of the field refused to shut down the flow of oil from two other platforms to the burning one. He waited to get the OK from his boss on the beach
Not entirely true, it was one other platform called Tartan




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I for one am glad that we have a Health and Safety legislation if it means I don't get toasted at work.
I also respect the concept of H&S, if you read my post you will see Im against "crazy Health and Safety" . Let me give you an example, the pool we use for Sea Survival last year told me that the new Health and Safety Officer
had decided we could not use the hose during amandonment sessions in case we got the pool side wet.

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Get back to drinking . which I like by the way, I presume you respect the RYA's laws about instructors not drinking during the course,
It not the RYA that make the laws, this is part of an act passed by government to stop commercial mariners drinking. But yes I dont drink during a powerboat course. Mostly because it would set a pretty bad example to our students

Im not going to reply to your comments about speeding - its a bit off topic and I dont want to get started on stealth taxing, sorry I mean speed cameras

I think we do have some common ground here, I am not advocationg drinking and powerboating as being a good mix however I don't think we need legislation to fix something that is not broken.
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Doug i would come to your school any day should i wish tu further my boating skills your posts are about the most informed and level headed among us and i think i may start using your carry on as yu please approach to debates cod yur a well informed conscious character tu, welcome tu the revaluation
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I have deleted some of the less enlightening and more inflammatory posts in this thread as it's getting very long and really doesn't need any padding. I haven't deleted anything that's actually relevant to the discussion though.
Oh, and I reserve the right to keep on deleting any off topic posts in this thread.

If it's relevant it stays. If not, it takes me less time to delete it than it does for you to type it !

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Replying to your own posts, that's a bad sign.

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Old 19 August 2007, 16:36   #129
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Not true, Health and Safety legislation has been around since 1977, Piper Alpha was 1988
No need to be formal Douggie you can call me Stuart

Would that be the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974

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Patronising, I remember the incident well. However its not got much to do with legislation for leisure boating

Not entirely true, it was one other platform called Tartan
Not entirely that well it would seem, two platforms Tartan and Claymore declined to shut down until it was too late. regarding the relevance I dunno you brought the HSE into the debate!

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I also respect the concept of H&S, if you read my post you will see Im against "crazy Health and Safety" . Let me give you an example, the pool we use for Sea Survival last year told me that the new Health and Safety Officer
had decided we could not use the hose during amandonment sessions in case we got the pool side wet.

Glad to hear it, whats the oldest person you've sold, or would sell,
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Im not going to reply to your comments about speeding - its a bit off topic and I dont want to get started on stealth taxing, sorry I mean speed cameras
Hey If you can't do the time don't do the crime. The Speed limit laws have ben around a lot longer that the Gatzo's. If you really object to the speed camera/stealth tax the put the fkkrs out of business .....don't speed!


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I think we do have some common ground here, I am not advocationg drinking and powerboating as being a good mix however I don't think we need legislation to fix something that is not broken.


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I think we do have some common ground here, I am not advocationg drinking and powerboating as being a good mix however I don't think we need legislation to fix something that is not broken.
Have We? I think legislation's a good thing cos it would stop me from doing it Until then I'm gonna preach one thing and practice another and I don't that level of hypocracy in myself
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what we need is another poll to see how many of the training schools have voted to have legislation,all that extra income if you would then need to take a test for a license
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