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Old 27 August 2003, 05:18   #1
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Second hand 585 or New 4.8 Ribcraft ???

Help !!

I can't decide whether to buy a 5 year old 585 with 100hp 4 stroke Yamaha now, or go for a brand new 4.8 with 60hp 4 stroke
in the spring.

Price wise both about the same.

I'm unsure/concerned about antifouling on used boat, & have posted a couple of threads without a great deal of response ! - come on chaps/lasses give a newbie some help here !!

Boat will mainly be used with 1-3 people for coastal/estuary use initially, but I would be interested in cruising at a later stage once I become more confident.

Which way should I go ?????
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Old 27 August 2003, 05:31   #2
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The age'd old decision.

At the end of the day it is your choice. But I can say the difference between a 4.8 and a 5.85 is terms of shear size is a lot on it's own. Add to that the fact that with a 5.85 extended cruises are not out of the question, where with a 4.8 you might consider it but I wouldn't recommend it.

Then again, trailering etc. A 4.8 could be towed by anything. Where a 5.85 as long as you have a reasonable slip 'anything' loosely used as a towing veichle will be 'ok'.

Fuel costs between the two, I would guess are marginal. But performance wise there we be a big difference.

Add to this the fact that it is a buyers market out there and there are some real bargins to be had. Then in hindesight, a new boat is a new boat. So you have a dealers warranty on the hull and machinery as well as electronics.

But I'd guess you can get a lot more than a 5yr old 5.85 for the same price as a new 4.8. That would be around 10k yes?

And i'm no expert, just my views and thoughts

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Old 27 August 2003, 05:52   #3
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Waiting longer and then getting a smaller RIB doesn't seem to make sense. I waited, saved up more, and then got the biggest I could afford.

The anti-foul issue is a separate question. Do you want an anti-fouled RIB? Will you keep the boat in the water for extended periods? If so, then sounds like the RIB for you. If not, then...??
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Big A, there is a huge difference between the two boats and I concur with TW18 comments. Assuming the 5.85 is is good condition that would be my choice. The Yamaha 100 on a 5.85 sounds a good combination, take her for a spin.

More ribs are now being kept in Marina's so they have to be antifouled. Just have a walk around Lymington. Whilst it could be hiding something nasty, its more likely to be just because it was kept on a mooring. Both my ribs were bought antifouled. There might be a slight loss in performance over an unpainted hull but it will be difficult to quantify. Certainly adding several people to the crew will have a greater effect on the top speed.

Since antifouling is only going to last a year you could scrape strategic bits off to check the hull, then repaint the antifouling next spring using VC Offshore or similar which will stand up to 6 months out of the water and doesn't mark using a roller trailer.

If you are still concerned how about a hull survey ? shouldn't be that much for a 5.85 rib against a 10k investment.

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Old 27 August 2003, 06:30   #5
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Thanks Guys,

The 585 is kept in the water June - August I am told - hence the antifouling (International Interspeed).

I would keep the boat on a trailer & tow.

Price is around 11,000, & I am trialing & viewing in/out of water on Friday.

I'm trying to find someone who can do a hull survey for me near Salcombe - Any suggestions ?

Obviously the 585 should be the better boat, but it will be my 1'st boat, & I am no expert on buying 2nd hand !

Keep the advice coming please.
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End of the season always a good time to buy and make offers

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Hi Big A,

If you have probs locating a surveyor, I'll look up the number of a marine engineer we used to use in that area - he'll probably be able to give a down-to-earth opinion of whether it's serviceable or not.

I'm not convinced that marine surveyors, even with all the letters after their names, do much more than apply "basic common sense" when looking at a hull. I would imagine that you'd get a report stating something like "gel coat below waterline not examined due to anti-fouling" and "be aware that anti-fouling has been applied to the underside of tubes". Bit like house surveyors! ("floor not inspected due to furniure in way").
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Pete7,

Would you consider 11,000 to be a fair price for a 5 year old 585 with a 2002 Yamaha 100hp 4 stroke ?

It struck me as a reasonable price - I guess it depends on the condition when I view it !

I can get the details on engine servicing etc, but anything in particular I should look for on the boat & trailer apart from the obvious cracks or tubes coming apart ?

Thanks in advance.
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Many thanks that would be a big help.

I agree these people always cover their ar**s - maybe they should have them antifouled !!

Advice now coming in faster than I can type replies !!!

Thanks everyone.
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You have to check, if on the secondhand boat you have additional equipmnet, and if yes, what is it and in what condition. As about new boat - check what is coming with. And you have to decide, what you will need at the end...
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