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Old 31 October 2009, 11:04   #11
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think a big T or better still RT,,,rib thief ,, branded on the theives forehead might be a better option ,,,think we used to brand thieves with a T on thumbs until about 1850.,,, with todays p correctness think having trackers constitutes entrapment or it wont be long before it is ,,lol,,,,serious side ,be intresting to find out where they are being taken though ,i have seen tv programs where plant equipment has been recovered when fitted with trackers and in some really strange places ,
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think a big T or better still RT,,,rib thief ,, branded on the theives forehead might be a better option ,,,think we used to brand thieves with a T on thumbs until about 1850.,,, with todays p correctness think having trackers constitutes entrapment or it wont be long before it is ,,lol,,,,serious side ,be intresting to find out where they are being taken though ,i have seen tv programs where plant equipment has been recovered when fitted with trackers and in some really strange places ,
I've watched CCTV footage of a caravan being stolen before and it just makes me angry. These guys are completely brazen. They have the van (pikey bast*ards), angle-grinders, bolt cutters, the works. If they're nicking large engines, then they're suitably tooled up for the job and have recce'd the area where they can spend 20 minutes or less removing your pride and joy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's about time all outboards engines and boats were registered with a central agency, so that enyone purchasing a bit of kit would have the reassurance that it's legitimate. Surely this could be funded through our insurance premiums? A tracking device is also a worthwhile investment.
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Seeing as all modern cars have immobilisers, surely there's something along those lines that could be fitted to the engine ECU to deter theft. Obviously this would have to be a manufacturer fitted item rather than retrofit, but it would be a good start.
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Seeing as all modern cars have immobilisers, surely there's something along those lines that could be fitted to the engine ECU to deter theft. Obviously this would have to be a manufacturer fitted item rather than retrofit, but it would be a good start.
Or even something that'd kill an ECU if it was plugged in to a laptop for servicing if it was on the stolen list?
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Seeing as all modern cars have immobilisers, surely there's something along those lines that could be fitted to the engine ECU to deter theft. Obviously this would have to be a manufacturer fitted item rather than retrofit, but it would be a good start.
Its not unheard of for imobiliser circuits to play up (especially when first introduced) - do you want to be the guinea pig who can't get his engine to start on a lee shore in F6? Especially given that electricary and boats don't often mix well.

I think from a "usefullness" point of view then there is limited benefit - it would stop you driving the boat away but not towing it (either afloat or on a trailer) nor from removing the engine. Presumably imobilisers aren't so good that they can't be worked around if you know how.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's about time all outboards engines and boats were registered with a central agency, so that enyone purchasing a bit of kit would have the reassurance that it's legitimate. Surely this could be funded through our insurance premiums?
I spent a year of my life and many thousands of pounds trying to persuade the marine insurance industry that such was true.

The Police bought into it, all across the country.

We had huge support from maritime organisations, clubs and user groups.

The MCA were keen, their database providers even did a load of groundwork for us.

Everybody in fact apart from the marine insurers. I cannot tell you what their biggest worry is, but thefts from sub 40' boats is not it.

I agree with you, in the absence of the insurers being active then your best bet is a tracker/alarm.
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Yamaha's latest generation F30 and F40 outboards now have an immobiliser fitted as standard. They call it Y-COP (Yamaha Customer Outboard Protection) which is a horrendous name. Probably the result of a marketeer being given carte-blanche on a project.http://www.yamaha-motor.co.uk/produc...nt&marine=true
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Or even something that'd kill an ECU if it was plugged in to a laptop for servicing if it was on the stolen list?
Fine, except that the thieves wouldn't care about servicing it.

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Its not unheard of for imobiliser circuits to play up (especially when first introduced) - do you want to be the guinea pig who can't get his engine to start on a lee shore in F6? Especially given that electricary and boats don't often mix well.
You may well be right, but I don't know of any car since the late 80's thats failed to start due to an immobiliser problem (aren't we lucky Renault don't make outboards :-)). And anyway, what are you doing on a lee shore in a F6 without having had your engine working in the first place to get there? Modern ecu's are pretty reliable, there's far more likely things to fail in an outboard
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You may well be right, but I don't know of any car since the late 80's thats failed to start due to an immobiliser problem (aren't we lucky Renault don't make outboards :-)). And anyway, what are you doing on a lee shore in a F6 without having had your engine working in the first place to get there? Modern ecu's are pretty reliable, there's far more likely things to fail in an outboard
Apparently Yamaha agree with you.

I've experienced imobiliser (or thats what the garage said it was!) problems on 2 different cars. One was a late 90s Diesel Renault Megan (intermittent problem would mean it didn't start but if you got out, locked it up and unlocked it you could start it) and the other was a 04 ? Citroen (Picasso I think - it was a hire car) - worked fine for two days then stalled in a car park and wouldn't go again ... maybe best there's no French O/B makers...
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Fine, except that the thieves wouldn't care about servicing it.
Quite right, it would be the bloke that bought his outboard from the dodgy geezer at the car boot sale who only finds out when the police are waiting for him to pick his boat up from having it serviced.
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