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Old 03 July 2007, 14:31   #11
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We use two kill cords one for the Novice Helm and one for the experienced helmsman, especially important with yougsters are helming. But never around the wrist!! to easy to foul around the steering wheel and prove ineffective or inadvertatly pull out
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Old 03 July 2007, 14:34   #12
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We use two kill cords one for the Novice Helm and one for the experienced helmsman, especially important with yougsters are helming. But never around the wrist!! to easy to foul around the steering wheel and prove ineffective or inadvertatly pull out
I think this is common practice. On my PB 1/2 course the helmsman had one fitted and a spare was tied to the dash in an easy accesible place for anyone else to use.

What Polwart suggests is that the experienced person should have the killcord so if he goes overboard the boat stops before the novice goes to far.

Unless that is you mean you have an engine that has two kilcord switches which can be activated by either one being removed.

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Old 03 July 2007, 14:37   #13
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With a complete novice at the helm I also tend to stay within reach of the throttle, even if that means me sitting on the tubes.

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Interesting - that is what I had done with the younger ones who I have taught to drive the boat, and as an occassional solution I think this is fine, but thinking back to when I learnt to drive a car, the instructor had dual controls, I think something as simple as putting the throttle for school boats in the middle should be a sensible move. It stikes me, that it should actually become the norm rather than the exception anyway, especially on the larger boats with side by side seating for helm and nav .....

I am interested if anyone has got anything else to add, especially regarding usable hand grips in the front half of the boat (accepting that people do ride there and 99/100 its not a problem?/or is it? what conditions are acceptable risk if there is one?) and / or what is reasonable preparation for a novice to drive without insisting everyone is trained beforehand.
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Old 03 July 2007, 14:42   #14
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But never around the wrist!!
I've been waiting for that one!! - It was fine with tiller steering on the little ones, your hand always stayed stationery to the tiller and the cut out. With the wheel I can see your logic. Thigh from now on, I presume?
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Old 03 July 2007, 14:50   #15
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I've been waiting for that one!! - It was fine with tiller steering on the little ones, your hand always stayed stationery to the tiller and the cut out. With the wheel I can see your logic. Thigh from now on, I presume?
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Yep around the Thigh, or if it dosn't foul anything then clipped to the Harness ring on the Lifejacket.
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OK we managed to do a vertical takeoff on the second wave of a wake - very nasty - police boat saw us and rushed across to help us in case we were hurt. This was with a very expereinced helm. It is easy to misjudge the wave from a very large vessel - can be very odd wave geometry.

But... I specified centre throttle for precisely this reason. And I have used it quite often as I have regulalrly total newbies at the throttle - often teenage boys, and I want to let them have a real blast in safety. Getting the central throttle and sorting it properly was a nightmare for Kev and Lee. Have never regretted it. If I have an inexpereinced helm I am always in the nav seat, holding on all the time to the grab bar in front of me with my left hand, my right ready to grab wheel (slow speed nav) or throttle if needed.
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First, I'd like to say that I'm glad that everyone was OK. It's very BIG of you to admit a situation like this, no one will critisize you for doing so, we'll all learn from these things being posted.

The only point I'd like to add is one everybody has forgotton to mention is that it's very dangerous for anyone to be in the bows of a RIB at speed (unless its a large RIB). There are terriffic forces at work up the pointy end, in calm seas you have to be even more alert as the faster speeds and unexpected waves can be a nasty combination and easily catch you out.

Unless I'm at displacement speed, I won't let anyone up front. Children haven't the grip of us Adults and consideration has to be made for the young ones.

I agree with the kill cord suggestion made by others, however this wasn't possible on my last RIB because of seating layout.
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Andy,

Good point about not sitting up the front. As Skippers we should be very aware of what could happen. And its possibly a case for manufacturers being enforced to fit stickers warning of this.

The first and only time it happened to me I felt a pain like a burst of high voltage electric in my back. Not very nice and at the time I thought I was lucky not to break it.

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I often have friends or the kids helming, and I find the most worrying aspect is not having control of the throttle (which is located on the outside of the consol and difficult to reach). On my next boat I'm planning to have dual pod seats and the throttle centre mounted so that it is easy to assist or takeover engine control if needed. Would also mean that the kill switch could be located centrally and I could remain attached to it!
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Andy,

its possibly a case for manufacturers being enforced to fit stickers warning of this.

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UUmmm...
Never been a big fan of mandating anything. I would rather see us all share experiences on this site, lets talk about good ideas and bad and ensure when we see newbies around we get them into the forum and learning from some of you guys that have been around for a long time ....
Emphasis on courses as well is important, but a culture as the rya puts it of education not regulation is one where everyone accepts there are risks but take it upon themselves to understand them and find better practise. Thats why I put this up. What have others done that they learnt from? Or is everyone else mistake free?

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