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Old 10 December 2004, 03:38   #31
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Maybe thats a facility Stuart could offer at his RIB MAD centre.. A couple of gallons a day flowing into Southampton Water would help clean it..
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Old 10 December 2004, 03:39   #32
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Spraying is not an option, it needs to key into the hull using a circular motion e.g. hand job. I must say it is as easy as putting on a very fine layer of car wax so takes very little time. As stated though you must leave it for at least 8 hours/overnight before putting it back in the water. Perhaps there is someone on here who could help with the hand job, many hands make light work
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Old 10 December 2004, 06:00   #33
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Well if spray application is not an option, why does it say it on the bottle!!

English: 1. Usable for all smooth (also painted) surfaces (synthetic / wood / steel / aluminum). To be used under and above water including drives / hoses / pipes. Do NOT use over MICRON CSC or any dissolving paint – remove these first completely. 2. Clean thoroughly, remove loose paint. When cleaning with Acetone or alike wash the hull with water and soap before applying the product. 3. Dry. 4. SHAKE WELL before use. Return bottles where product does not mix properly. 5. Apply with a cloth as THIN as possible (the thinner the better) while 6. rotating 7. Dry 30 min. 8. Do not polish 9. Apply following layers 10. Let dry 8 hours before launch 11. NEVER use mechanical tools – voids warranty. 12. For optimal result: sail regularly. 13. Keep out of reach of children. 14. Avoid skin and eye contact. 15. When swallowed consult doctor 16. Store between 5°C. and 50°C. 17. Do NOT use on gangways (slip danger) 18. Bottle (30-40m2) enough for: (minimal) 2 layers: 15-20m2; (optimal) 3 layers: 12-15m2; (best) 4 layers: 9-12 m2 19. Damages? – repeat: nr. 2..8. EXTRA: - Spray application available for professional use; - Protects against UV and waterstains; - Effectivity remains but changes during season. Reapply (only clean with water!) every season/12 months.
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Old 10 December 2004, 13:24   #34
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Spray on? beats me as it goes against all that they tell you to do on the hand job application, if it says that on your bottle, then it must be on mine. I have a spare bottle and will dig it out to see. All I can say is that I did it the hand way and it has worked well, if you want to spary it all over be my guest, if it doesn't work and it told you to do it on the bottle, well get your money back By the time you have sprayed it 3 times the stuff will be everywhere and you will have used a dozen bottles.

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I have just spoken to the sole importer Steve Reid from i2D Uk Ltd, he informs me that YOU CAN spray it on, but it is the very fine mist type of spray gun with adjustable nozzle like car sprayers use with, he states that the sprayer costs about £80, and it must be a very, very light coat x 3. So I was wrong I guess, I apologise, but I don't know if you would need more or less of the magic fluid.
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Old 10 December 2004, 15:22   #35
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Now there's an idea What about a Bleach marina where you pay to moor up in bleach Mind you there could be a few plastic soap dish boats like mine that could melt
I am sure that I saw on one of these science programs such as Tommorows World that somone had developed a enclosure made of waterproof material that you could drive the boat into then seal up the end and apply antifouling chemicals which killed the fouling organisms within the enclosure.
Cant remember much else about it though such as how it was ealed when the boat was in and whether the chemicals would then damage sealife when the boat was driven out again.

Hey found something similar-http://www.armoredhull.com/
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Old 11 December 2004, 04:42   #36
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I'm sure that you all know much better than I do and that this SAFEBOATSKIN is working 100%

BUT

I've asked around and haven't found anything except the information which is availiable on the net. The questions that spring to mind then are:

1. Where (which country) is this/these products imported from (SAFEBOATSKIN & SAFE BOATSPEED)? Holland may be? or the US? I have aksed in the US and a guy that has used many clear ANTIFOULING products , he mentioned various brands such as:
Dolphinite go-fast bottom paint, clear Didn't work
Aurora bottom wax or whatever it is called - no value.
Scatt - Actually worked better then the others above but still not worth much.
One other secret solution someone gave him.Wouldn't tell what it was because the EPA would be upset. Tried it on a square foot section and it didn't work either.
And he concluded that Best solution I've found is to pull the boat and clean the bottom on a schedule based on water conditions. Which IMHO is the right answer to all of this

2. If SAFEBOATSKIN and SAFEBOATSPEED are such wonderful products wouldn't people use them else where in World? No one has heard of any of them except two or three guys in this forum which isn't much.

3. Where and who is using it? (an answer Mr Blogs in Kazakstan will not do ). An actual (not made up) verifiable sales figure will do

4. Why is it so expenssive? All this staff about great solutions and the rest is C..P.

The R&D that goes into developing a clear antifouling solution that will work that is quite something and aparently you need huge amounts of money to do it and only companies the likes of International Paints or Jotun or people like have the financial backing and can develop it.

SO

5. Who are the developers and when did the the R&D for this product took place?
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Old 11 December 2004, 06:35   #37
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Well from this page of references, it looks like it could well have originated in the States with most of the references being from there . Even Hot Lemon is using SafeSpeedSkin (See bottom).

http://www.qia.nl/UK/ENG_Boats/Reference%20quotes.htm

It has really taken off here in Cork, most chandlers/dealers stock it and swear by it. From suggesting it to people on the marina and out on the water, a lot of them have actually turned around and said that they use it too and are very pleased.

Why do you have to be so skeptical about everything Manos!! I suggest you try the stuff, fair enough its expensive but you do get a money-back guarantee with it so you haven't much to lose!!

http://www.qia.nl/UK/ENG_Boats/money_back_guarantee.htm
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Old 11 December 2004, 06:53   #38
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Swginn I am skeptical becasue IF (BIG IF) I use something that will cost me over £100 (or over $200.00 or over Euros 200) I make sure that I do not through my money in vain.

So far the most important questions (actual most/all of my questions) have not been answered and your view 'well people use it in Ireland and they think is good' I'm affraid will not do for me and whether 'Hot Lemon' used it or not makes no difference to me. One boat sometime ago. ANY OTHERS?? If it was soooo good more would have used it. Don't you think?

A friend suggested to be guinny pig. Well have no objection if he forks out the £100.00 and does all the labour

Still if these guys who sell it are serious about selling it. They should market it properly, mention the compnay that manufactures it, track record of products, test reuslt (which they do mention) but verified and by which authority and where etc etc. I don't spend my money for something which before you know may have fallen at the back of a lorry
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Old 11 December 2004, 06:59   #39
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Fair enough I suppose, its your own money, do what you want with it.

Just thought that if you weren't satisfied with it you could simply get your money back??
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Old 11 December 2004, 07:02   #40
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But if you do not know is behind it do you believe it? I don't
And as I said no track record of any short by the company that makes it. NOTHING at all
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