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Old 09 October 2004, 16:45   #11
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I don't think there is a day's content on the course and I thougt the one i went on was very padded out to make the day. I had similar thoughts about the First aid course. I figure a long day course 10 hours half first aid half HVF would do nicely. You could also make it a more special (and expensive day) by offering a 5 hour HVF course and maybe 3 hours of pboat coaching!
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Old 09 October 2004, 19:32   #12
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If you think one day is too much then think yourself lucky you are not in Ireland. For years the Irish authorities have accepted that the RYA 1 day VHF was fine, a couple of months ago they decided that the RYA course wasn't detailed enough and require a 2 day course and don't accept the RYA qualification. Not sure what has happened on this in the last two months though as there was some fierce debate going on. Personally i think the 1 day VHF course is fine as it stands as it trains people to do what they need to be able to do - which is reasonably basic.

Qcamel, given your comment re your level 2 course how did you feel it fell short?

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Irish System is 2 courses assessed by appointed external examiner

1 day .... this allows you to use a standard VHF Radio.

then there is a separate course and test for DSC... I don't think there are as many DSC sets around.

You get a call sign after the first and your MMSI after the second.

There are fees for each test !!

I did the first bit a couple of weeks ago and it was mostly relevant I would guess adding DSC into the same session would have made it too much but there's a bit about battery maintenance ,hydrometer use etc. which could be dropped (I'd need a drill to go along with the Hydrometer).


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'Qcamel, given your comment re your level 2 course how did you feel it fell short?'

I returned to boating after a lay off of a number of years and felt that I should refresh my skill levels. After completing my course I felt I was really no further forwrd than I had been at the begining of the day, not sure if my expectations were too high or my training standards were too low.
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I don't think there is a day's content on the course and I thougt the one i went on was very padded out to make the day. I had similar thoughts about the First aid course. I figure a long day course 10 hours half first aid half HVF would do nicely. You could also make it a more special (and expensive day) by offering a 5 hour HVF course and maybe 3 hours of pboat coaching!

i think the one day course is sufficient for vhf agree with Dave Hickman re the one to one ,best mix for me is simulators and radio's on a loop, its not a in depth course but it will teach the correct voice procedure and will give people the confidence to use the system ,as for the First aid course i do not think it is long enough and would like to see a two day course one of the theory and one of practical elements where we go on boats ribs ,yachts , motor cruisers and see how we would put it into practice in the small confines of these ,a good school would introduce the Pan Pan Medical Emergency Procedure during the scenarios but like everything on offer by most schools it has to remain competitve so if the school down the road is not doing the same people will go there as it will be cheaper quicker you may get those with more interest coming to these bolt on courses but i would think not many to make it worth while in running
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Come to my office and listen to channel 16 for twelve hours, and you will need the course needs to be much longer.
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Old 10 October 2004, 15:20   #16
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Come to my office and listen to channel 16 for twelve hours, and you will need the course needs to be much longer.
Hi Ginge I agree with you that the standard of radio etiket is awful , but are you are presuming that everybody using channel 16 has done the course and for that matter got a VFH licence. I suspect most of the people using 16 haven't got either, but then you don't reaaly need it to call a marina do you! .

I think the point is if you want to make the syllabus more comprehensive the sure make the course longer, but the contents of what's on offer don't merit 8 hours. as always in my very humble opinion.

Louise you asked who could find the course too complicated...Have you ever met the gArfish!
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And another thing......I don't think you should be allowed to teach unless you have made the investment in simulators ( Either buying or hiring)
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Rogue - why?
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Because the gArfish is very thick and would find the course too complicated
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No, Rogue - why shouldn't a school be allowed to teach without simulators? In other words, what can you do with a simulator (no rude comments, please!) which you can't do with radios on a loop?
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