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Old 21 August 2017, 14:35   #1
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RYA safety boat course anygood?

After a day marshalling an armada of jet skis on Sunday I am wondering if the RYA safety boat course may be useful, aimed at dingy events? Or useful course in general been a while since my PB2 and don't get to helm a decent rib very often and a 6.6 cobra in choppy conditions made me want to do more......
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Are you expecting to provide cover for Jet Ski's in future or all sorts of events.

A dinghy club / class association will be very pleased to have you with Safety Boat Cert. Some will be happy with PB2 but some will be much happier if you have SB.

Course covers: "Preparation, boat handling, dinghy rescue, windsurfer rescue, kayak or canoe rescue (can be covered as theory), towing, end-of-day procedures, safety, suitability of craft, local factors, communication, rescuing other water users"

I think you spend a decent proportion of time on dinghy rescue. It is afterall the main issue! So how to re-right dinghies that have capsized / inverted/ mast stuck etc.

Windsurf etc - is essentially how to transport them as they tow horrendously badly. But the majority of the course is covering dinghy rescue.

If you were to be doing JetSki cover you'd want to cover towing them coz I expect they are a pain.

I thought they covered mark laying as well but perhaps thats an extra sneaked in by some clubs.

While I see your attraction to safety cover as a way to get some ribbing done... ...my personal opinion is it can be a frustrating thing. You have to be first on and last off the water, you spend a lot of the time idling doing very little. Very occasionally you will be working hard. You don't get to choose where you go or when.

If you wanted to do a course to challenge your RIBbing I'd say go Intermediate. If you want to get in the Oppie Class Safety Boat Team - you'll want to do the SB Course. But they'd probably prefer it if you had your own RIB (or you may be crew)
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It will be mostly be for jet skis for the foreseeable unless I offer my time to other groups. I might look at intermediate instead. Although several people have mentioned buying a rib I'm not in a position to buy one myself.

Having been a windsurfer and been been towed they are dreadful to tow rigged. I'd be doing the course with a training centre rather than a sailing club. I could look at the SBDA I guess
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RYA safety boat course any good?

Yes but this course, in particular, is only as good as the experience, knowledge and resources of the Instructor/RTC.

Unfortunately a PB2 Instructor can automatically run this course solely on the basis of them having a Safety Boat certificate - ie they do not require or need to receive any additional training.

Having run this course many many times - I still put a lot of preplanning into it and experience a great deal of responsibility during its duration and it scares me that it can be run by "ill prepared" Instructors with little or no experience.
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It will be mostly be for jet skis for the foreseeable unless I offer my time to other groups. I might look at intermediate instead.
So you need to work out what the point of the safety boat course is...

- It will cover some bits around planning safety cover for events. BUT - if they aren't your events and you are not the safety officer it may only help in telling you what the SO should be doing and don't appear to be!

- I'm not entirely clear what the purpose of safety cover for JetSki's is? That's not to say you aren't needed but if I don't know then your instructor may not know. All the named craft are wind or self reliant on getting places. So much more likely to need help if it gets windy or goes too calm. JetSki's may need help if they have engine issues but can they self help?

- Are you a "mothership", a chaperone, a first aid boat, a mobile mechanic, a navigator, there to chase off others who might get in the jetski's way? Perhaps all of that?

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RYA safety boat course any good?

Yes but this course, in particular, is only as good as the experience, knowledge and resources of the Instructor/RTC.
And I guess finding one who has experience towing jetski's might prove "interesting". A sailing school can provide dinghies to practice towing. You'd need to have some ski's to pratice towing?

I'm guessing they need an alongside tow? What happens if you need to tow multiple ski's? Can they be towed astern? They look unstable to me but they may think the same about topper dinghies and you can tow 8-10 of them behind a rescue boat and they usually stay upright!
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I'm not entirely clear what the purpose of safety cover for JetSki's is? .......
Had me scratching my head for sure. I'm struggling with the idea of rescuing one! May be the RIB is to lend a veneer of respectability?
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Are you ... there to chase off others who might get in the jetski's way?
ah no stop! Too funny!
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Towing a ski (sit downs at least isnt an issue normally as they will tow each other on a long line happily) There aren't many/any courses available which are specific to the requirements.

I could ask for a custom syllabus from a training centre but that will likely cost alot more. I am lucky that i have a RYA training facility locally that has all of the equipment and runs the standard Safe Boat course course as well as PWC, PB2, Intermediate and others. Intermediate costs the same as safety boat so may go that route instead.

The purpose is to be better prepared and able to assist in the unlikely event of their being an issue.

Most likely is mechanical failure or rider injury.
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Just to be very clear - the RYA Safety Boat course is not in any way similar to the RYA Intermediate Powerboat course.

Listed below are the elements covered in the RYA Safety Boat course:
Preparation
Safety equipment
Assistance with race management
Crew communication
Boat handling and manoeuvres
Positioning in respect to fleet
Standing off another craft
Coming alongside underway
Dinghy (including high performance) and windsurfer rescue
Towing
Mark laying
Theory and background
Rescue of other water users
Communication
VHF
First aid
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Just to be very clear - the RYA Safety Boat course is not in any way similar to the RYA Intermediate Powerboat course.

Listed below are the elements covered in the RYA Safety Boat course:
Preparation
Safety equipment
Assistance with race management
Crew communication
Boat handling and manoeuvres
Positioning in respect to fleet
Standing off another craft
Coming alongside underway
Dinghy (including high performance) and windsurfer rescue
Towing
Mark laying
Theory and background
Rescue of other water users
Communication
VHF
First aid

Yes and neither are intended for what i may find myself doing. The element in italic are of no benefit i can see. The other bits might be.

I'm spending my own money for 2 days on the water, intermediate would be great but i don't have a boat capable of putting the training into use and wont for the foreseeable, safety boat i may be more water time with be it marshalling jet skis or otherwise.
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I did Safety Boat a cpl of months ago. Its worth doing. You always learn a few things. Was principally around Dinghies. Nothing like practising in your own time though.
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