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Old 10 March 2013, 10:10   #1
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I have just received my annual renewal info and with it came a fold out RYA Membership "It's all about YOU and the boating YOU DO" brochure

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on the folded out section they show a youngster in a yellow shirt competing in the RIB championship the RYA run and you can jsut see an adult aboard. That image clearly shows no visible lifejacket yet every other image on the brochure does including yachties and dinghy sailors. Surely this is the one image that should show a lifejacket in use? a high performance RIB going at speed around a buoy with a young helm?

On the back page, I have no idea how but I am pictured helming a 785? Thank you nice image, should not complain
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the yellow shirt is over the BA.


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Ok so BA , being pedantic I would have thought an auto lifejacket should be worn by youngsters throwing a rib around a course?
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During the competition they are safety boat(s) on standby, so do you really need full Lifejackets - any body will be recovered under a few minutes.

It's all about the correct kit for situation, I have seen the Risk Assessments about 20 pages!

The over yellow shirt is to give sponsors maximum publicity - considering they donate boats and engines as prizes not too bad compromise!

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Its the Youth Rib Championships which we entered last year and came third in the end.

I have to say its a very safe event and there are loads of ribs around. The skipper and the adult both have kill cords so the boat can be stopped at any time.

You can just see the extra killcord socket on top of the console.

Fingers crossed for this year!!

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  • Auto lifejackets can fail to inflate. Do you really want that risk with a young person potentially thrown into the water?
  • My experience is auto LJ's can get expensive around young people!
  • Boats are being driven by helms who usually have been training for this event, and who are often more competent than a typical club rescue boat crew
  • The skipper is under the direct supervision of a competent adult (probably an experienced power boat instructor). If they did anything crazy they can stop the boat.
  • Whilst the boats are 'fast' they are typical club rescue boat set ups - not racing spec. As I understand it whilst against the clock - the aim is to do it with good control not just speed.
  • As I understand it there is only one boat on the course at a time - so the risk of collision is tiny.
  • Probably much more likely to end up in the water when dinghy sailing; but nobody considers auto jacket necessary then.
  • Head injury or entanglement in rigging much more likely in dinghy sailing but accepted level of risk.
  • Other boats on site and usually pretty sheltered / close to shore; those are precisely the circumstances where a buoyancy aid would normally be recommended.
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  • Auto lifejackets can fail to inflate. Do you really want that risk with a young person potentially thrown into the water?
  • My experience is auto LJ's can get expensive around young people!
  • Boats are being driven by helms who usually have been training for this event, and who are often more competent than a typical club rescue boat crew
  • The skipper is under the direct supervision of a competent adult (probably an experienced power boat instructor). If they did anything crazy they can stop the boat.
  • Whilst the boats are 'fast' they are typical club rescue boat set ups - not racing spec. As I understand it whilst against the clock - the aim is to do it with good control not just speed.
  • As I understand it there is only one boat on the course at a time - so the risk of collision is tiny.
  • Probably much more likely to end up in the water when dinghy sailing; but nobody considers auto jacket necessary then.
  • Head injury or entanglement in rigging much more likely in dinghy sailing but accepted level of risk.
  • Other boats on site and usually pretty sheltered / close to shore; those are precisely the circumstances where a buoyancy aid would normally be recommended.
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Very comprehensive

and last but not least - a LJ cannot be worn under any outer garment
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leaving aside the lifejacket/buoyancy aid issue - did the RYA leaflet give any highly persuasive reasons, or motivation, for joining/renewing your subs?
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leaving aside the lifejacket/buoyancy aid issue - did the RYA leaflet give any highly persuasive reasons, or motivation, for joining/renewing your subs?
Good questions, brochure covers under headings
we can help you enjoy boating more
We can save you money
Get more from your boating Support the Rya
We stand up for your rights
Were here for you

Then lists 8 Membership types

In answer to your question, not really, I work commercially so have tickets issued by them, I am a qualified instructor but not a school. Had a need to seek support last year concerning legal matters and they did not help despite telling me they would. I need a lot of convincing I get something from the RYA except issue of tickets and free members lounge in some events.

I am guessing this will start a role of defending of training done / offered. I believe their recent stance of coding of vessels for training has started in the right direction as could never understand the allowance for school boats being uncoded, again that will open the flood gates from coleagues and friends who run schools under RYA banner.
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I work commercially so have tickets issued by them, I am a qualified instructor but not a school.
BTW you do not have to be a member of the RYA to operate as a RYA Instructor.

However the "school" that issues RYA certificates must be a RYA Recognised Training Centre for which they have to pay a recognition fee to the RYA - which for a existing school is only 295 a year - given that over 160,000 people take RYA training courses each year - is not a lot.
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