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Old 23 May 2015, 02:38   #31
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You would have to establish how they'd failed. I've not had one fail "closed" which means the engines would keep running, but that might not be the nature of every fail, unfortunately the survey doesn't ask this or for information from which this could be derived. If it is the case, and I suspect it might be, then you'd have to consider the consequences of the scenario with your own set-up. My "bypass" switch actually isolates the kill switch (serially connected) because the BF130 is "close to kill". If you take the scenario that a)they only fail open (speculative) b) you have a "close to kill" set-up c)the two switches are wired in parallel then, no you haven't increased they likelihood of failure. but in truth we don't have enough info to make that assumption and the survey isn't going to help because it's not asking the right questions.
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Old 23 May 2015, 04:33   #32
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Does your missile launch switch mean you can't actually see the status of the toggle? since it disables the kill cord that seems an increased risk of accident perhaps less so if you are the only person who ever touches the boat.
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Old 23 May 2015, 05:39   #33
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If you have never had a failure (as I haven't) just complete first question then scroll down to the done button

If only failures get reported then a false negative will be reported.
+1 I've done that too.

I'm not sure what the point of this survey is, - Floatyourboat, would you please share with the forum if there is an organisation sponsoring this survey (if who whom) and the objective is.
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Old 23 May 2015, 06:21   #34
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Does your missile launch switch mean you can't actually see the status of the toggle? since it disables the kill cord that seems an increased risk of accident perhaps less so if you are the only person who ever touches the boat.
No, the cover has to be opened and remain open to flick the switch, it can't be closed with the switch toggled.
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No, the cover has to be opened and remain open to flick the switch, it can't be closed with the switch toggled.
There's something hugely cool about those switches

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Lakelandterrier, this survey is written by the RYA Training department. The department is often approached when people have questions about their kit, and sometimes this is about kill switches/kill cords failing. Except for the individual cases who have made contact, what is unknown is the extent of the failure issue, or how the failure has come about it is this that has driven the survey.

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Lakelandterrier, this survey is written by the RYA Training department. The department is often approached when people have questions about their kit, and sometimes this is about kill switches/kill cords failing. Except for the individual cases who have made contact, what is unknown is the extent of the failure issue, or how the failure has come about it is this that has driven the survey.

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Thanks fro the background info.
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Done,but never having had a cord failure felt like a pointless excercise. Inspect and change before failure !!! Not rocket science.
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I maybe wrong but I smell a survey for market research for selling something that isn't needed, like a 100 quid kill cord made of moon dust or something equally as daft.

TBH waste of time filling it in unless someone has had a failure.

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I filled it in, because my switch once failed on the old Humber leaving the engine running. It was just encrusted with salt and a load of WD40 fixed it, but I'm glad I found out when testing it and not by falling out of the boat. Using them is only half the battle, no point putting it on if it doesn't work...
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I completed the survey but feel it was rather a dumb survey and pointless. I would bet that many more incidences of the kill mechanism failing becuase the skipper hasnt worn the kill cord than a failure due to the kill cord breaking or switch not operating so perhaps they should invest their time on the main point.

The problem with failing kill cords and kill cord switches aprt from not using them are common to most boat issues, if you dont maintain your boat and regular check stuff then the weather and salt will soon cause stuff to fail. So i would probably say the main cause of issues if they are used is salt build up on/in the switch itself and the use of kill cords from some manufacturers which do not contain a wire running through the plastic, the plastic only ones get brittle and snap.

Next time in your at a marine chandler have a look at the kill cords for sale, if they aint got a wire running through them then strongly mention this to the chandlery.

Best advice on kill cords is also to replace them every few years just like you would a battery on your boat and dont leave them plugged in when you leave your boat for a week or more.
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