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Old 09 August 2010, 10:06   #11
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My DT200EFI (2-Stroke) has a genuine Suzuki emergency pull start kit in a little bag clipped under the hood.

Itís basically a thick piece of string with a handle on one end and a knot in the other.

You have to remove the plastic cover over the flywheel, and thereís a slot to wrap the string around, just a bigger version of what you get on an old seagull.

I have tried it once, and it was easier than I expected, but the engine was warm, and there was power in the battery so the ECU and fuel pump were not relying on me generate enough power from the generator to run them.
It is of course a two stroke, but even so I was surprised I could pull start a 2.7l V6.

One of these days Iíll try it on a cold engine with the battery disconnected or discharged to the point it canít turn the engine over fast enough to start it. Until then Iíll continue with my twin batteries just in case.

One other thought, my engine was originally sold new in Canada so the emergency kit may not be standard on a UK engine.

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Old 09 August 2010, 10:10   #12
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Yeh it is and it works with a flat battery too. You're doing yourself an injustice sir!
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Old 09 August 2010, 11:07   #13
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Jwalker's advice re starting at the battery is good! Set aside all your ideas as to what the problem is and trace the juice from the good end. I wouldn't throw out that old battery just yet either.

I think you have a bad connection somewhere. Check the wraps around all your battery and isolator leads, where they are crimped to the end fittings. I'd bypass the isolator for now too, just bolt the cables together to test and remove afterwards.
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Re the pull starts, meh 90's have all the necessary for this, and it seems they should generate enough power on the pull to fire up the EMM's for ignition. I've test pulled them (system off) and it is fairly manageable.

Get it wrong (wrap that wee rope round a finger) and they'll eat you
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Old 09 August 2010, 11:10   #14
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Don't think my 4-stroke Suzuki 200 comes with a pull start cable, and even if it did, I doubt very much I'd be able to kick it into life. It needs a full revolution on the starter, before the ECU gets all necessary readings from the various sensors before firing. I tried a 50hp Honda once, and that was touch and go to get started. I doubt you'd pull start a 115 Yam 4-stroke unless it's in perfect condition and very warm.
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As has already been mentioned I'd start with a good look at/test of the isolator switch.

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What Nasher said, but I'll add a bit of my own.


If you hadn't already realised that there should be no connection between the battery cooking and the isolator being off, you're probably better off paying an overpriced sparky to do it before you start on it yourself as you may end up paying the overpriced sparky twice as much to fix what you've done
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Thanks once again everybody and I do seriously appreciate that advice is so hard when there is no wiring diagram.

The isolator switch is certainly the place to start but appears to be hard parts. No fuse there and nothing obvious. I'll start at the isolator tomorrow with a simple but hopefully revealing test. Sticking the cables together to test for a circuit is what is being suggested, I think, and sounds a good start too.

Thanks everyone. Will keep you posted.
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Don't think my 4-stroke Suzuki 200 comes with a pull start cable,
The older DTs came with 'handraulic' start only.

Marcus, if you do need to use a marine sparky, give Billy a call.

http://www.btmarine-electronics.co.uk/ He's a good guy.
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Old 10 August 2010, 04:28   #19
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Hi Mollers,

Thanks for that. I live on the Roseland and think Billy does too. I see his blue van about all the time. I'll try few more diagnostics today and give him a call.

You are pretty local so may I please ask for a further bit of advice ?... My indespension trailer axle packed in (totally corroded) coming down the drive a few weeks back. Luckily I've a farming mate with a telehandler who picked the boat up and took it straight to the water.

Anyway, would you know anybody local who might supply a new axle ? It is only the indespension stub that has sheared off but I am told those units can't be removed from the axle so best to start with a new axle and D bolt it on.

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Skippy, a top chap and a tenant of mine in Penryn will take a look at that trailer for you.
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