Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 27 March 2003, 00:36   #41
Member
 
Country: Greece
Town: Gloucetsreshire
Boat name: GATO DI MARE
Make: MAR.CO
Length: 9m +
Engine: Yamaha 200Vmax
MMSI: 235027678
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 3,339
Send a message via MSN to Manos Send a message via Yahoo to Manos Send a message via Skype™ to Manos
I agree with CH and most that the paper does not give you experience. And (unfortunately) there are some people who 'know all' have the higher certification and they can get you in to trouble. I also agree that the ICC is not a great proof about ones seamaship.
However, what I am trying to say is that one neeeds to start from somewhere. Learn the basics and improve his/her skills from there on. This is whay regulation is needed. To try to prevent an accident when poss
__________________

Manos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 March 2003, 01:27   #42
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: St Mawes
Boat name: Magellan Zulu
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 7m +
Engine: 2 x Suzuki DF150
MMSI: 235094135
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 483
Crazyhorse, you old rascal, I have finally realised that you are a serious tease! From here....

Quote:
Originally posted by crazyhorse
This is mainly relevant for offshore destination boats...

.....right through to here.....

.....but its a start in the right direction for a Newbee or a New Skipper going offshore IMHO
....the speling and gramer was perfick! Must taek yoo ours too cum up wiv sum of the butes yoo dish owt to us orl!

But, seriously, all contributors to the argument on this thread, IMO, make sound arguments in support of rules. I respect those views and cannot disagree with the logic.

On the other hand I, like many of the "free spirits" I have met over the years, find my hackles rising as I see the approach of the thin end of a wedge.
__________________

__________________
Mike G
Mike Garside is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 March 2003, 02:06   #43
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Highlands
Boat name: Quicksilver
Make: Quicksilver
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,771
Quote:
You either believe in having people rule your every move in life - or you don't. And I don't. I just want to be left alone. or should that be ?


Hear! Hear! I''m right beside you on that one Mike. We can chat about that subject on our 'Round the UK by RIB to get to The Great Orkney SIB Expedition 2003' run.

Keith (freedom fighter) Hart
__________________
Small boat - BIG truck

www.photo4x4.co.uk
Keith Hart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 March 2003, 02:19   #44
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: St Mawes
Boat name: Magellan Zulu
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 7m +
Engine: 2 x Suzuki DF150
MMSI: 235094135
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 483
And you, Hart, are the ultimate opportunist. A natural sense of opportunism is fundamental to all successful freedom fighters.
__________________
Mike G
Mike Garside is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 March 2003, 03:52   #45
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Highlands
Boat name: Quicksilver
Make: Quicksilver
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,771
Quote:
And you, Hart, are the ultimate opportunist. A natural sense of opportunism is fundamental to all successful freedom fighters
Oh yes! You can see the website as well.

Thanks Mike

Keith (August is THE month) Hart
__________________
Small boat - BIG truck

www.photo4x4.co.uk
Keith Hart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 March 2003, 04:08   #46
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Saltash, Cornwall
Make: Rib less:-(
Length: no boat
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 693
Having been teaching PB2 and PB4/SB for a number of years now, I can see a need for some basic training.
There are some serious muppets out there who souldn't be let out in a bath tub. Of those muppets there are people with the tickets who if they remember what they were taught (won't get into substandard teaching ) and those without training.
Flip side I know people without tickets who are better, safer and more knowedgeable than a lot of the PB instructors.

I don't know the answer, you can teach people and they do it correctly on the test, then ignnor all they have been taught.
OK rant over
Jelly

(Bath tub being the size of water not the vessel of choice )
__________________
Jelly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 March 2003, 04:10   #47
Member
 
Country: UK - Isle of Man
Town: Douglas Isle of Man
Make: Osprey
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 70hp 4 stroke
MMSI: 235035776
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 288
You don't need to do two days training to get ICC.

As I read it there is an option to 'do the test' rather than do the theory.

When I did mine, as I had Yachtmaster Theory certificate, I was only tested on the boathandling, safety etc parts of the syllabus and it took 1 day.

I'm doing another two day course soon though, as my handling etc was done in the confines of an estuary. Hopefully we'll get some real Irish Sea waves this time!
__________________
Tax is paid by mortals
whitingiom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 March 2003, 08:00   #48
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Oxford
Make: Ribtec, Ballistic, C
Engine: 40hp 4 strokes - twi
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 309
. Is it not true that motor accidents increased because of the seat belt rule, having to wear a belt made some people drive faster and with less care, almost like it made them feel invincible.

I dont agree cars are far more powerfull now they are smother and feel safer. This is not to do with the seatbelts. most modern cars can now do atleast 120 this was not the case years ago. Pluss the amount of people on the roads has increased and will increase over and over as fammilies get 2nd 3rd and even 4th and 5th cars.

I think that a good solid handeling test would make the world of difference. i also think that the age of the driver should be irrelevent. I have taught 12 year olds that are far mor compitont than 50 year olds. Maby say they have to be supivised but that is different.
__________________
dgpw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 March 2003, 09:39   #49
RIBnet supporter
 
Brian's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Isle of Man
Town: Peel, IOM
Length: no boat
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,277
RIBase
I still haven't seen anyone suggest one single new law that they would like to see passed, what diference it would make, how much it would cost and how you would enforce it.
If no one can suggest anything sensible, why are we still discussing it?
__________________
Brian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 27 March 2003, 10:42   #50
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: SOUTHAMPTON
Boat name: Won't get Fooled Again
Make: Ribtec
Length: 6.5
Engine: Honda 130
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 888
Let's start by saying that all new boats could only be delivered to ICC holders and must come with minimum safety equipment.

Now lets discuss how this could work

How about when you pays your deposit for your new boat, and we all know it's going to be a little while before it arrives, the manufacturer could inform you that you need an ICC and advise you where to get one from.

How about all new boats must be supplied with adequate safety equipment as specified by the relevant controlling Authority or me

Let's see

Flares
Compass
Lifejackets for the seating capacity of the boat
First aid Kit
the list needn't be exhaustive and wouldn't put much on the cost of a new boat

Also the ICC and RYA should be competency based. and not curriculum based if you can demonstrate adequate knowledge and ability then there is no reason why it couldn't be done in a couple of hours. What I am really saying is make a test option as well as lessons.

Most of the time I don't wear a seatbelt when I drive, it's nothing Macho I just got out of the habit but I truly believe that the legislation should exist so that they must be fitted and worn.

DPGW who said you could use my fingers...but being fluent in typo I truly agree with your comments
__________________

__________________
thewavehumper is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 15:26.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.