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Old 29 September 2005, 16:30   #11
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The big question here is what is the A-frame made out of? $1950 USD for a Stainless Steel A-frame is not a bad price. Usually the builder installs all the equipment on it (lights, antennas, etc.) - all included in. I made the mistake once of trying to have a frame made up elsewhere. By the time I paid to have the frame made, then paied to ahve the VHF antenna, GPS antenna, and running lights installed, the whole thing cost MUCH more than if I had bought from the manf.

Thanyou WES for putting it into context.

We have been asked for dimensions before and are always reluctant as many years of headache have gone into the product. What we say is take a picture and copy from that. What we know is that we need tube notchers and minimal tolerances to get the product right and the guy who thinks hes smart in getting it cheaper will learn the hard way as we did !!

Is it rude... well if I saw your pretty garden and asked could I copy it you would take it as a compliment. If I asked could you give me working details of your job so I could undercut you and steal your job I think you might be a bit fed up. However a good RIB supplier will understand that clients do have budgets and if you are fair with them I think they may just help but dont expect major savings.

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Why copy a design already in circulation. Design your own and have something unique. You'll still get it cheaper!
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Old 01 October 2005, 01:53   #13
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Yes, it is rude. I know from where you come on this deal, but if you are going to undercut the guy, it is "better" (somehow) to do it on your own (IMHO). I build a lot of my own stuff, and I also manufacture stuff for sale. I sometimes steal ideas from other people's stuff, and I get people in other cities that want to buy one of my creations "to try it". I know they are copying it, but I have no patent, so.... I suck up. Copying someone else's product is thievery, plain and simple, as they probably have lots of expensive R&D in it.(Repeat: I steal ideas now and then, too.) I'd suggest you make it "legal" and find another boat with one already on it and copy that one. That shouldn't wee off your sales guy. (Ribcraft, in Marblehead? Say Hi to Adam, et al, if those are the folks w/ whom you are working.)
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Yes, it is rude. I know from where you come on this deal, but if you are going to undercut the guy, it is "better" (somehow) to do it on your own (IMHO). I build a lot of my own stuff, and I also manufacture stuff for sale. I sometimes steal ideas from other people's stuff, and I get people in other cities that want to buy one of my creations "to try it". I know they are copying it, but I have no patent, so.... I suck up. Copying someone else's product is thievery, plain and simple, as they probably have lots of expensive R&D in it.(Repeat: I steal ideas now and then, too.) I'd suggest you make it "legal" and find another boat with one already on it and copy that one. That shouldn't wee off your sales guy. (Ribcraft, in Marblehead? Say Hi to Adam, et al, if those are the folks w/ whom you are working.)
I think that's a bit strong, he only wants to make a frame for himself! If he was "splashing" a design for gain your dead right, it's unethical and illegal in the case of patents.

On a personal point though, I would never try to copy a design but improve on it!
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