Rude?

Chopppywaters · 24 September 2005, 00:41

Is it rude to ask the company thats making your RIB what the normal dimensions of their A-frames are so you can make it yourself? heh i already did this and the guy seemed a little mad...1950 USD for a A-frame though...not really reasonable

Richard B · 24 September 2005, 06:47

Not if you ask politely!

Jizm · 24 September 2005, 11:07

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Originally Posted by Chopppywaters

Is it rude to ask the company thats making your RIB what the normal dimensions of their A-frames are so you can make it yourself? heh i already did this and the guy seemed a little mad...1950 USD for a A-frame though...not really reasonable

Did he give you the dimensions tho'?

InfBoatsMag · 24 September 2005, 12:16

as long as you ask nicely he has no reason to not give them to you unless hes just a big jerk.If its not stantard equipment on the boat you are buying you have every right to have it made yourself. Its your boat and your money.

did they give you the dimensions?

Chopppywaters · 24 September 2005, 12:38

they said they would give me the dimensions, im going to have my friend whos making it call.

I think i asked him nicely, i said somtehing like "Is there any chance i could get the dimensions of the A-Frame"

InfBoatsMag · 24 September 2005, 12:54

if they don't give it to him,
let me know and I will call on behalf of the magazine- as if I am making an exploratory call for information on their boats.

Chopppywaters · 24 September 2005, 12:58

alright I'll know soon enough. Im pretty sure they will give it to us though heh they have been nice up until now, maybe the guy was having a bad idea i dont know. At least now i can get the A-frame in 316 SS and then powder coat it black since the rest of the boat is black

codprawn · 24 September 2005, 13:22

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Originally Posted by Chopppywaters

alright I'll know soon enough. Im pretty sure they will give it to us though heh they have been nice up until now, maybe the guy was having a bad idea i dont know. At least now i can get the A-frame in 316 SS and then powder coat it black since the rest of the boat is black

Well if it's black you want!!!!

Save a fortune and get marine grade Aluminium - go for bigger tube - it will still be lighter but stronger. It is a LOT cheaper than stainless and you can have it anodized any colour you want!!!

Chopppywaters · 24 September 2005, 13:31

is there a certain kind of aluminum i should get?heh

wes · 27 September 2005, 21:24

The big question here is what is the A-frame made out of? $1950 USD for a Stainless Steel A-frame is not a bad price. Usually the builder installs all the equipment on it (lights, antennas, etc.) - all included in. I made the mistake once of trying to have a frame made up elsewhere. By the time I paid to have the frame made, then paied to ahve the VHF antenna, GPS antenna, and running lights installed, the whole thing cost MUCH more than if I had bought from the manf.

quinquarimarine · 29 September 2005, 20:30

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Originally Posted by wes

The big question here is what is the A-frame made out of? $1950 USD for a Stainless Steel A-frame is not a bad price. Usually the builder installs all the equipment on it (lights, antennas, etc.) - all included in. I made the mistake once of trying to have a frame made up elsewhere. By the time I paid to have the frame made, then paied to ahve the VHF antenna, GPS antenna, and running lights installed, the whole thing cost MUCH more than if I had bought from the manf.

Thanyou WES for putting it into context.

We have been asked for dimensions before and are always reluctant as many years of headache have gone into the product. What we say is take a picture and copy from that. What we know is that we need tube notchers and minimal tolerances to get the product right and the guy who thinks hes smart in getting it cheaper will learn the hard way as we did !!

Is it rude... well if I saw your pretty garden and asked could I copy it you would take it as a compliment. If I asked could you give me working details of your job so I could undercut you and steal your job I think you might be a bit fed up. However a good RIB supplier will understand that clients do have budgets and if you are fair with them I think they may just help but dont expect major savings.

Cheers

John
www.quinquari.co.uk

Hightower · 29 September 2005, 20:38

Why copy a design already in circulation. Design your own and have something unique. You'll still get it cheaper!

Jklingel · 01 October 2005, 05:53

Yes, it is rude. I know from where you come on this deal, but if you are going to undercut the guy, it is "better" (somehow) to do it on your own (IMHO). I build a lot of my own stuff, and I also manufacture stuff for sale. I sometimes steal ideas from other people's stuff, and I get people in other cities that want to buy one of my creations "to try it". I know they are copying it, but I have no patent, so.... I suck up. Copying someone else's product is thievery, plain and simple, as they probably have lots of expensive R&D in it.(Repeat: I steal ideas now and then, too.) I'd suggest you make it "legal" and find another boat with one already on it and copy that one. That shouldn't wee off your sales guy. (Ribcraft, in Marblehead? Say Hi to Adam, et al, if those are the folks w/ whom you are working.)

Hightower · 01 October 2005, 08:00

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Originally Posted by Jklingel

Yes, it is rude. I know from where you come on this deal, but if you are going to undercut the guy, it is "better" (somehow) to do it on your own (IMHO). I build a lot of my own stuff, and I also manufacture stuff for sale. I sometimes steal ideas from other people's stuff, and I get people in other cities that want to buy one of my creations "to try it". I know they are copying it, but I have no patent, so.... I suck up. Copying someone else's product is thievery, plain and simple, as they probably have lots of expensive R&D in it.(Repeat: I steal ideas now and then, too.) I'd suggest you make it "legal" and find another boat with one already on it and copy that one. That shouldn't wee off your sales guy. (Ribcraft, in Marblehead? Say Hi to Adam, et al, if those are the folks w/ whom you are working.)

I think that's a bit strong, he only wants to make a frame for himself! If he was "splashing" a design for gain your dead right, it's unethical and illegal in the case of patents.

On a personal point though, I would never try to copy a design but improve on it!