rough weather advice - Page 3

m chappelow · 22 August 2009, 18:47

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Originally Posted by codprawn

That is quite a controversial statement.

Alan Priddy swears a RIB full of water is far more stable. My boat is far better when it has 500L of fuel on board. And a bloke I know was an RNLI helm for many years. He said the roughest conditions he was ever in was when they had to transfer the crew of a lifeboat back to land using a D class - he said is was perfectly stable as there were so many people on board and it was full of water.

i agree with you codders, thing is with a D class it doesent have much inherant bouyancy in the hull floor unlike say the sealed hull on a r.i.b, unless its a flooding one ,,and every different wave sort will have different effects on each and every type of boat , i was thinking more on the swamped boat not recovering starts to slide down the wave dipping and then turning over sideways .

m chappelow · 22 August 2009, 18:52

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Originally Posted by Jon.esp

And another

So should we adjust the inflation depending on prevailing sea state?

Jon

the tubes need to be hard or up to working pressure ,dont forget that in rough waves the cold water slopping onto /over the tubes will have a cooling effect more than normal and you will get a pressure drop ,

JSP · 22 August 2009, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Leapy

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Shut it leapy

Leapy · 22 August 2009, 19:12

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Originally Posted by JSP

Shut it leapy

I did

Whilst I thought about it more

Actually - having thought about it - I was trying to imagine a RIB carrying 500 litres of fuel = 110 gallons = 770lbs or, more interestingly = over £500, most of it going to Gordon

Holy b****y f*****g h**l

JSP · 22 August 2009, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Leapy

I did

Whilst I thought about it more

Actually - having thought about it - I was trying to imagine a RIB carrying 500 litres of fuel = 110 gallons = 770lbs or, more interestingly = over £500, most of it going to Gordon

Holy b****y f*****g h**l

Jesus

tonymac · 22 August 2009, 19:26

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Good reading!!!

Fully agree codders. easy to read good advice and very helpful.

m chappelow · 22 August 2009, 19:36

think the worst rough sea which caught out a lot of boaters in my area was 10th august 2003 in the tees and hartlepool bay area ,,,august fine sunny day hardly any wind and a flat sea ,,,all types of boats were out ,,,just after noon a big black cloud appears from over middlebrough about 8 miles away and someone says a supermarket roof had been damaged by the weight of rain water ,, then it hit us ,,,all hell broke loose bad style sky black as night ,,,,,dozens of maydays boats /sinking/lifeboats launched ,persons overboard ,viz from the rain was bad enough but with the amount of rain water falling and the roughness of the seas some boats founderd ,within 2 hours sun was out blue sky and the sea calm again in all i think 4 persons drowned that day one large fishing boat had sunk within a stones throw of a safe harbour both crew lost ,a large r.i.b. with a load of divers was washed onto a n offshore reef and stranded ,.some boats had been pushed miles out to sea ,,,,some finishing up down near CHEWYs part of the coast the lifeboat had to escort dozens of boats back some with injured crew ,,,after that not many of us get complacement with a calm summers day even if the forcast is good ,

chewy · 22 August 2009, 19:49

I was out with Bam Bam the other day and the weather kept changing every half an hour from flat calm to quite choppy.

tonymac · 22 August 2009, 19:52

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Originally Posted by m chappelow

think the worst rough sea which caught out a lot of boaters in my area was 10th august 2003 in the tees and hartlepool bay area ,,,august fine sunny day hardly any wind and a flat sea ,,,all types of boats were out ,,,just after noon a big black cloud appears from over middlebrough about 8 miles away and someone says a supermarket roof had been damaged by the weight of rain water ,, then it hit us ,,,all hell broke loose bad style sky black as night ,,,,,dozens of maydays boats /sinking/lifeboats launched ,persons overboard ,viz from the rain was bad enough but with the amount of rain water falling and the roughness of the seas some boats founderd ,within 2 hours sun was out blue sky and the sea calm again in all i think 4 persons drowned that day one large fishing boat had sunk within a stones throw of a safe harbour both crew lost ,a large r.i.b. with a load of divers was washed onto a n offshore reef and stranded ,.some boats had been pushed miles out to sea ,,,,some finishing up down near CHEWYs part of the coast the lifeboat had to escort dozens of boats back some with injured crew ,,,after that not many of us get complacement with a calm summers day even if the forcast is good ,

Scary stuff! Something similar on a smaller scale re injuries, happenedto me. On my way out to Tory island off North Donegal. Lovely sunny day. Light winds and easy swell coming from the Atlantic. I could see the harbour getting clearer when a small cloud appeared over the back of the island. Within minutes it dumped on us and threw us all over the place. The sea turned real nasty and the cloud just seemed to burst and soak us. Within minutes all was clear and back to what it was before except we were soaked and really shaken. Needed that pint at the islands hotel!

m chappelow · 22 August 2009, 20:09

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Originally Posted by chewy

I was out with Bam Bam the other day and the weather kept changing every half an hour from flat calm to quite choppy.

was that out of whitby or staithes,i am supposed to be going to whitbys station next month on a training day ,

chewy · 22 August 2009, 20:15

Out of Whitby to Staithes but it got a biy bouncy off Runswick so we headed back. Saw the lads on the D-class in the harbour so had a mess about with them for a bit.

m chappelow · 22 August 2009, 21:32

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Originally Posted by chewy

Out of Whitby to Staithes but it got a biy bouncy off Runswick so we headed back. Saw the lads on the D-class in the harbour so had a mess about with them for a bit.

back to rough weather again ,i was speaking to the ex cox at whitby few weeks back and he was saying even though its an east coast port ,the harbour entrance faces north, due north theres nothing between the piers and the north pole,so even though a forecast can be good down here you only need a storm near the north pole for big swells to roll in a couple of days later ,

codprawn · 22 August 2009, 22:03

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Originally Posted by tonymac

Scary stuff! Something similar on a smaller scale re injuries, happenedto me. On my way out to Tory island off North Donegal. Lovely sunny day. Light winds and easy swell coming from the Atlantic. I could see the harbour getting clearer when a small cloud appeared over the back of the island. Within minutes it dumped on us and threw us all over the place. The sea turned real nasty and the cloud just seemed to burst and soak us. Within minutes all was clear and back to what it was before except we were soaked and really shaken. Needed that pint at the islands hotel!

Very heavy rain can actually flatten the waves for a bit.

I wonder if ships still pour oil onto a rough sea to flatten the waves during a rescue for example? The Greens would have a fit!!!

m chappelow · 22 August 2009, 22:20

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Very heavy rain can actually flatten the waves for a bit.

I wonder if ships still pour oil onto a rough sea to flatten the waves during a rescue for example? The Greens would have a fit!!!

we were on about this morning ,think last rnli boats to use it was back in the 8os, think they carried about 2 gallons of fish oil in a tin so it could have been green freindly stuff ,from what i hear it was good stuff for a while flattened out the sea but it then made the boat and everything else slippery . and then took forever to wash every thing down .

JSP · 22 August 2009, 22:25

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Originally Posted by m chappelow

we were on about this morning ,think last rnli boats to use it was back in the 8os, think they carried about 2 gallons of fish oil in a tin so it could have been green freindly stuff ,from what i hear it was good stuff for a while flattened out the sea but it then made the boat and everything else slippery . and then took forever to wash every thing down .

I've been sat in a boat when fish oil has been dumped into the water from the fish dock

Not a nice smell, you can chew on it.

m chappelow · 22 August 2009, 22:57

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Originally Posted by JSP

I've been sat in a boat when fish oil has been dumped into the water from the fish dock

Not a nice smell, you can chew on it.

aaahhhhh the smell of a working harbour ,,sea weed, deisel slick and rotting fish and that bit down the bottom corner of concreate steps where it leads on to the beach where it stinks of piss,with the tab end and the solitary wood lollypop stick,, lol

JSP · 22 August 2009, 23:37

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Originally Posted by m chappelow

aaahhhhh the smell of a working harbour ,,sea weed, deisel slick and rotting fish and that bit down the bottom corner of concreate steps where it leads on to the beach where it stinks of piss,with the tab end and the solitary wood lollypop stick,, lol

Jesus, have you got CCTV set up for fleetwood dock? Down to a T

neilda · 23 August 2009, 10:06

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Originally Posted by m chappelow

think the worst rough sea which caught out a lot of boaters in my area was 10th august 2003 in the tees and hartlepool bay area ,,,august fine sunny day hardly any wind and a flat sea ,,,all types of boats were out ,,,just after noon a big black cloud appears from over middlebrough about 8 miles away and someone says a supermarket roof had been damaged by the weight of rain water ,, then it hit us ,,,all hell broke loose bad style sky black as night ,,,,,dozens of maydays boats /sinking/lifeboats launched ,persons overboard ,viz from the rain was bad enough but with the amount of rain water falling and the roughness of the seas some boats founderd ,within 2 hours sun was out blue sky and the sea calm again in all i think 4 persons drowned that day one large fishing boat had sunk within a stones throw of a safe harbour both crew lost ,a large r.i.b. with a load of divers was washed onto a n offshore reef and stranded ,.some boats had been pushed miles out to sea ,,,,some finishing up down near CHEWYs part of the coast the lifeboat had to escort dozens of boats back some with injured crew ,,,after that not many of us get complacement with a calm summers day even if the forcast is good ,

Terrifying stuff - tragic too that four lost their lives.

Reading that made me stop and wonder what that must have been like, awful, really awful. Reminds me again that the sea can be a monster.

cuttlefish · 23 August 2009, 10:57

Talking of Whitby reminds me of that tragic accident (23rd Nov., 2007), when 3 people died after their cabin cruiser overturned in atrocious conditions at the mouth of Whitby Harbour at around midday.
A force eight gale and massive waves were pounding the piers and area just outside the harbour at the time and despite the heroic efforts of the lifeboat crew - and an RAF Sea King helicopter crew - the trio could not be saved in the treacherous conditions.
At the time, the RNLI lifeboat crew said they saw the boat attempting to leave the harbour and tried to contact it via radio to warn the occupants not to go to sea.
Whitby’s all-weather lifeboat George and Mary Webb was launched, but in minutes the cabin cruiser was seen to capsize.

I don't suppose they would have had much more chance in a rib, even with more sea experience.

Very sad.