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Old 26 August 2009, 03:54   #101
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3. A driver problem
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I agree with the French man.
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Old 26 August 2009, 04:02   #103
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1. what was the correct maneuvre to return to the other ribs?
For me, the correct manoeuvre was to slow down and turn when at the top of a wave in order to get a good vision of the surrounding sea. By the sounds of it, and I could of course be mistaken, the pilot wanted to turn whilst still going fast, too fast.
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http://www.maib.gov.uk/publications/...2009/rib_6.cfm

From the MAIB Report:
Safety issues identified during the investigation which
have not resulted in recommendations but have been
adressed

1. The AI was inexperienced, and should have been more thoroughly briefed and closely supervised. [2.4]

2. Mobile telephones are not appropriate for emergency communications at sea. [2.8]

3. The AI adopted an inappropriate position when driving RIB 6; this is indicative of inexperience and that further training is required. [2.11.3]

So as Pablo says: Driver problem caused it the problem, caused by inexperience and driving position, she was driving at the side of the controls NOT behind them, and nobody corrected her style of driving.

But the report brought up many issues, including the use of mobile phones , the short falling of handheld VHF's etc.

The main point is if you have an accident at sea, use the VHF to ask for help, MOB is pan pan at the very least, if not Mayday.

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was a university student who was working at Plas Menai during her
holidays as a freelance instructor. This was her third season at Plas Menai.
She lived in the area, had spent many years sailing on the Menai Strait, and her local knowledge was very good.
The AI was RYA qualified as a dinghy instructor and a dinghy racing coach, and she had obtained an RYA National Powerboat Certificate Level 2 at Plas Menai in September 2005.

She was also said that she was considered to be relatively inexperienced, but she must have learned something from her courses, and also from her time spent in the area.
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was a university student who was working at Plas Menai during her
holidays as a freelance instructor. This was her third season at Plas Menai.
She lived in the area, had spent many years sailing on the Menai Strait, and her local knowledge was very good.
The AI was RYA qualified as a dinghy instructor and a dinghy racing coach, and she had obtained an RYA National Powerboat Certificate Level 2 at Plas Menai in September 2005.

She was also said that she was considered to be relatively inexperienced, but she must have learned something from her courses, and also from her time spent in the area.
She might have passed the course but putting it into practice is a different matter.
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In which case,

she shouldn't have passed the course. Is there no practical part in the course? Who was the tutor who passed her, and on what grounds? Was she cute?
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Like I said earlier in this thread, I had been used to displacement hulls and when I got my first RIB I was cocky about my experience to just get init and go. The little bugger soon knocked that thought right out of my head.
Jockeying a plaining hull in the rough is a whole different ball game to a displacement, which I soon found out. To be honest in the really rough stuff I'd prefer to be in a tub with a nice round stern with a nice deep draft.

Maybe the young lady discussed above was very experienced with the local water (the menai was once described as the most treacherous by some bloke called Nelson) but not experienced with the type of craft.
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Don't think the course cover rough water handling. Its been discussed before, if a course was to include rough weather handling you'd struggle to run the course around our weather.
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That wouldn't by chance be the same Nelson that built a "tub" with a nice round stern with a nice deep draft, about 34' long?
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