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Old 10 January 2012, 07:25   #81
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Certainly for that money someone needs to be taking a look at whether we need all those AWBs with the type of shout they usually get these days, and the increased use of Helo's for significantly offshore stuff etc, as well as the increased range and capability of the Atlantic 85s over the original 21s.
All RNLI stations and boats have what is called a Coastal revue every 5 years or so that evaluate each station and what type of boat or other life saving means can or cannot be be utilised ,eg hovercraft /lifeguards.
the revue is usually formed from existing paid staff rnli inspecters ect and the institutions committe of management still a volountry role as far as i am aware and .

if a station needs to be closed for operational reasons then it will close ,
eg Teesmouth AWL had a new lifeboat station built at a cost of 400,000 only to close 18 months later ,
the public outcry that followed and investigation also involving local mps and the like came to nothing as well as the station been located on the 3rd buisiest port in the uk ,
,reason ,, Hartlepoole 4 miles to the north had a new faster Awl boat and Redcar had an atlantic 75 ,,3 miles down the coast ,
The institutions view on things are that if we are taking money from joe public it has to be spent wisely and what it is given for ,,Saving of life at sea ,
Teesmouth building has no operational lifeboat as such but is used now for training of lifegurds and flood rescue teams so they are covered by that .nothings to say that in the future it could be reinstated if the need arises

on the other hand new stations may be formed if there has been an increase loss of life ,,a brand new station has just been formed in scotland this month ,
Thames lifeboats came to fruition after the Marchoness/Bowbell incident when 55 youngsters lost their lives .
with the regards on maintainence about 6 months ago it was decided that the regular maintainence /refits can now be extended to a much longer time scale say every 3 years to 5 years owing to improved design and materials .


regards to stations full/part time paid mechanics boats ,engines and equipment have now become more complex than the double ended 8 knot boats of 20 years ago .
most mechanics started out volounteering as crew before taking up the post in most cases.


if anyones intrested have a look at the jobs section for both voluntry and paid staff .

one miff that i have is the statement ,,the rnli,,,, IS The charity ,,that saves lives at sea ,
,well theres a good few other indipendent lifeboat/rescue boats up and down our coast doing the same thing and for them its hand to mouth regards funding .

lastly dont give grief to the old guy stood with the collecting bucket on lifeboat day in the pouring rain ,,hes a volounteer and not a paid clipboard sales Droid.
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Old 10 January 2012, 08:45   #82
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A couple of years back I tried to volunteer my services and myself. They basically said we've got enough people we just want your money.
When I pointed out what I did for a living and my experience The words were blimey you are over qualified. Needless to say I don't do a lot for them. We have inshore rescue down here

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Old 10 January 2012, 09:21   #83
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They didn't want me a few years back either - their loss!
It was almost like I'd be a threat to someone. As you said. John There loss

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Regardless of how much they raise, cost, spend, if you're in the deep sh1t & you see one coming over the next wave, it's priceless. Been there, done that! I'll keep paying my subs. If it was government funded e.g. coast guard, they'd be cut down to the bone by now & we'd all be bitching about the lack of service. I'd rather have a voluntary service that is provided regardless of cost, than some half assed tax funded outfit on a shoestring. If you don't like it, don't contribute, but just bear that in mind when you need 'em.
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M Chappelow - thanks for clarifying how they decide which stations to open or close. I had noticed their recent new station at Leverburgh - theres certainly not much other help around there if you find yourself in a creek and paddleless. I'm surprised that there has been an increase in casualties in the area - but I suppose it may also be that there are fewer fishing boats / navy ships / commercial vessels that might step in to fill the void there.

Clearly a lack of joined up thinking going on if you spend nearly 1/2 million on a new station which is very close two others and then decide to review its need soon after. Common sense would have said to bring the review forward. Presumably the two flanking stations have been there for some time.

I don't envy the committee's task of reviewing the stations though - because deciding to close a lifeboat station is always going to be controversial and emotionally difficult; sometimes its easier to make the "right" decision if you have commercial or public sector budget cuts to justify it (blame the politician / board / economy etc). When availability of funding is not the critical factor it must be even harder to decide to close facilities.

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unfortunately whilst they can probably estimate from the results how many Willks simply cancel because of their cheek and ensure the "rise in charge" offsets that downside they may never have any idea how many Willks decide not to include them in their enormous Will when the time comes. When Willk leaves his millions to the Cat and Wilfish home instead they will never know.
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Regardless of how much they raise, cost, spend, if you're in the deep sh1t & you see one coming over the next wave, it's priceless. Been there, done that! I'll keep paying my subs. If it was government funded e.g. coast guard, they'd be cut down to the bone by now & we'd all be bitching about the lack of service. I'd rather have a voluntary service that is provided regardless of cost, than some half assed tax funded outfit on a shoestring. If you don't like it, don't contribute, but just bear that in mind when you need 'em.
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Old 10 January 2012, 17:12   #87
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It was almost like I'd be a threat to someone. As you said. John There loss

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They didn't want me a few years back either - their loss!
Whilst it may seem ignorant that they didn't want your help the RNLI has its own maintenance schedule in place and mechanics on each station.
If a boat is damaged and not fit for service you usually have another one on station within 24hrs. The damaged ILB would then go to Cowes to be repaired.
Nobodies loss really.
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short clip showing just some of the things station mechanics get up to ,lets face it if it break down 100miles out at sea in a f10 who you gonna call the RAC ,AA,

as phil (chewy )says things that cannot be bent back or repaired by the,, on station mechanic it will go out of service and a replacement part sent out from a divisional base (think theres 6 covering the uk) within 15 mins of reciving the order ,anything electrical /electronics will be replaced and repaired later by the electronics engineer at that base ,
if its an outboard it will be sent out within 15mins plus travel time then fitted at station,

with the new generation boats a lot of things are now able to cross fit different classes of boats and i think the new shannon class has the same scania engines as it launch tractor cutting down on carrying loads of spares for a vast array of different equipment .
The S,I,M,system saves crew members leaving or swapping seats when underway to undertake different tasks that may lead to injury at 25 knots in a rough sea eg.navigating ,radio,engine monitering,radar,depth,steering ,
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Just in case there would be an excess upwelling of grumpiness on here on account of me, here's two clips of my local outfits at work and play to cheer yiz up:

The Arranmore Lifeboat Myrtle Maud and Charlie X-Ray Sierra - the ICG S61.



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Old 10 January 2012, 18:54   #90
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WOW 2.7M for a Tamar!!

That definitely sounds like a lot of money to me.
You can buy lots of fibreglass, a few electronics and a couple of engines for that!!

Do they actually make these boats themselves? And this cost is materials + labour?or do they truly "buy" from a supplier??

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