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Old 09 January 2012, 16:29   #61
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To the person who says the boats are over spec can I ask would you get up at 3am in force 9 winds knowing the boats not capable???? I didnít think so. The boats are built to withstand the worse conditions imaginable and that costs money. Crewmen and women want to go out and come home as well and if the RNLI cut corners on the build of their boats then this might not happen.
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That would be me then, I never said the boats wern't fit for purpose or not capable, just overspecced.
The inshore boats probably aren't too bad but do you really needs SIMS on an ALB to tell you the seacocks are open and joystick control complete with touch screen?
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I might offer to buy Mont St. Michel a new lifeboat in a few years time; I think it would be a nice gesture. The current one is a moth-eaten old sib that I only saw for the first time this summer; I don't even know if it's even used anymore.

Thinking about the RNLI, I know there are a lot of boat house politics and that some crew may enjoy the limelight (be honest, who wouldn't?), but being in serious trouble at sea must be so frightening that just seeing a lifeboat coming your way would have you thanking Jesus/Allah/Jehova.
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but I suspect Mrs Willk will assume its a ruse to get a rib for yourself and disapprove the expenditure!
Can't - I'm saving that name "Mrs willk" in case I need to deploy it in my "argument" for a new RIB. She'll never go for it, but it's a good opener...

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hmm, im quite curious about this now......

Can anyone on here actually give a breakdown of how the RNLI spend their (our) money?

I have heard that something like 20% is spent on marketing and fundraising projects....is this true and if so, how is the rest spent?

The reason for my curiosity is that, after reading the last information i recieved from the French SNSM i noticed it mentioned there are now 232 operational stations in France.
A quick Wiki search revealed that the RNLI has only 235 operational stations, a mere 3 more than their French conterpart.

So the question is, why does the RNLI need a budget of 147 million (also from Wikipedia) when a quick hop 80 or so miles south across the channel reveals a similar operation but running on one seventh of what the RNLI has at its disposal?

Im not trying to incite suspicion into such a worthy charity but merely curious as to why, on the surface, it would seem to be somewhat economically ineficient.

Why do the RNLI need so much money?

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enshewer de sirvival ov dis speshies wots inn dainger ov extinkshun dew too a contrakt bein putt owt onn im bi sum irysh nobbur.
I should keep it down if i were you - Five O might be tailing you...

...geddit - tailing, tail...

...oh never mind
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Can't - I'm saving that name "Mrs willk" in case I need to deploy it in my "argument" for a new RIB. She'll never go for it, but it's a good opener...

Diplomacy is essential .. if she thinks it a big bouncy thing with extra bouyancy and airbags to keep it afloat you could be on a tightrope
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http://www.rnli.org.uk/what_we_do/li.../running_costs

Give you break down on your donations...
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Why do the RNLI need so much money?
They don't need so much money, but why settle for anything less than the very best if you can afford it? Then it becomes circular because each new lifeboat costs such a staggering amount so they need to raise ever greater amounts of money.

As far as I know the RNLI admin/fundraising/management costs are pretty much in line with the norm.
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hmm, im quite curious about this now......

Can anyone on here actually give a breakdown of how the RNLI spend their (our) money?

I have heard that something like 20% is spent on marketing and fundraising projects....is this true and if so, how is the rest spent?
84% goes on "operational expenditure" and 16p on the costs of fundraising.

Here's a breakdown from the 2010 Annual Report:RNLI Download Centre

INCOME £153.6 M
Legacies 59%
Raised voluntary income 33% (Donations?)
Net investment income 2%
Net merchandising and other trading 4%
Lifeguarding and other income 2%

REVENUE EXPEND £145.5 M
Rescue 44% (I assume this includes training etc - not just live shouts)
Maintainence 34%
Cost of generating vol income 16%
Prevention 3%
Innovation 3%

CAPEX £37.5 M
Lifeboat stations 44%
Boats and launching kit 40%
Other plant 11%
Other property 5%


You'd need to dig into the accounts though to see if comparing the french to the uk is comparable. E.g. are our stations buying / renting land for station and the french donated by govt etc?
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Thanks SPR and Polwart for the info....

Well its no bloody wonder the RNLI need so much money when you look at the maintenance costs of the lifeboats themselves...(the link that SPR posted)

£75000-£114000 ANNUAL maintenance cost for the all weather lifeboats???? Sorry RNLI but your taking the piss there...

I have an annual maintenance budget for each of the tugs i look after of less than £75000 and im talking £8million pounds worth of tug, classed for oil pollutiion recovery and fire fighting (to FiFi 2 standards) working 24hs, 365 days a year, regulary tasked by the MCA as emergency towing vessels) and thje RNLI justify upto £114K for a boat which probably only racks up a couple hundred running hours per year?(

Over 8k per year to 'maintain' a little 'D' class??

I think a little outsourcing to the private sector wouldnt go amiss there...

I actually feel really disapointed to have read all that....ignorance is bliss i suppose.

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