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Old 19 March 2013, 03:52   #41
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In addition, they have a duty of care to establish vendors are who they say they are. Not sure how this would be done, but cross-referencing addresses, credit card information and other personal information is par for the course these days.
Indeed .. I wont deal with 'cash' customers anymore, I only accept credit or debit cards, as it creates a paper trail, and I take the view that if the banks have authorised the person, that, that would be good enough as part of my id process, even then I ask for address verifiaction such as a current utility bill. I cant see advertisers doing anything else other paying by card though ? as they are not face to face transactions, so the advertising company must have some 'good' evidence as to who they are ?
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Old 19 March 2013, 04:08   #42
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Is the answer not Ribnet? It's great that we can currently advertise our boats for free on here, but would it not make more sense to charge a fee that is then used to pay a trusted Ribnet member to make a physical check to verify that the boat actually exists and is owned (or at least in the possession) of the seller. Not every boat would need to be physically verified of course, I'm thinking here of well known members boats, but with members pretty much all over the UK at least, such a scheme could work and also attract new members to the forum.

I doubt that is necessary, as Ribnet doesn't offer that much anoymity than gumtree, ebay etc...
Someone who just registered to sell a (scam)boat with zero posts is always to a certain point suspicious
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Old 19 March 2013, 04:55   #43
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I doubt that is necessary, as Ribnet doesn't offer that much anoymity than gumtree, ebay etc...
Someone who just registered to sell a (scam)boat with zero posts is always to a certain point suspicious
As things stand I'd agree, but there are regular threads about the scams on Ebay/Gumtree/B&O and other web sites. All I'm suggesting is rather than bemoaning their apparent inability to provide effective vetting of boats listed for sale, that Ribnet could be a real alternative and could become THE place to list a RIB for sale in the UK. That would mean opening it to anyone to register and list their RIB, but with the safeguard that their listing would be vetted prior to going live.
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Old 19 March 2013, 04:57   #44
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I doubt that is necessary, as Ribnet doesn't offer that much anoymity than gumtree, ebay etc...
Someone who just registered to sell a (scam)boat with zero posts is always to a certain point suspicious
Anyone who wants to bung me RIBnet a few quid for advertising should feel free to do so

However, the current FREE service (FREE even to scabby non-supporters) seems to work quite well. In five years I can't remember one actual scam being run in the RIBs for Sale forum. Mextli is right about first time posters putting their RIBs up for sale here - caution is advised, especially if they have just joined the forum to advertise (however, there are a lot of long term "silent" members too). When I see such an advert, I tend to do a little digging to see if the background details stack up.

Worth mentioning that of course the Trade Members already "pay" to advertise their boats on the site - thanks guys!

Now, if I ruled the world - I'd make the RIBs for Sale section free to RIBnet Supporters/Trade Members and charge the rest of yiz 20 per advert
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Old 19 March 2013, 05:02   #45
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Ribnet could be a real alternative and could become THE place to list a RIB for sale in the UK. That would mean opening it to anyone to register and list their RIB, but with the safeguard that their listing would be vetted prior to going live.
It is open for anyone to register and list their RIB. What's this unhealthy fascination with the UK? RIBnet is much bigger than that

Your plan is interesting, but what you suggest requires paid staff and administration costs, and Social Knowledge don't strike me as that likely to start sending me cheques
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Old 19 March 2013, 05:18   #46
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It is open for anyone to register and list their RIB. What's this unhealthy fascination with the UK? RIBnet is much bigger than that

Your plan is interesting, but what you suggest requires paid staff and administration costs, and Social Knowledge don't strike me as that likely to start sending me cheques
Appreciate that Ribnet is bigger than just the UK, though my perception is (perhaps wrongly) that the UK membership is relatively larger than for Europe, North America, Australia, etc. so there is a greater likelihood of a member living/working in closer proximity to an unknown seller.

Just thought rather than moaning about scams on other sites that it might be feasible to provide a trusted alternative.
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Now, if I ruled the world - I'd make the RIBs for Sale section free to RIBnet Supporters/Trade Members and charge the rest of yiz 20 per advert
Well, as I'd hate you to think of me as a "scabby non-supporter" and having previously listed my old Avon through Ribnet, albeit that it sold through B&O, I have just paid my 20.
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"All of the photographs are steganographically marked and will be detected if this listing is used for fake sales on other sites."
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I've bought a few things off Ribnet (large outboard, gauges etc) & do feel it is a site that inspires confidence in the vendors!
Having had bad experiences with ebay,gumtree & apolloduck vendors for various boat related items I wouldn't buy anything substantial off them without travelling to buy in person as it's a real minefield. Even substantial positive feedback(outboards12 aka dan cooper aka outboardmotorseurope) mean nothing when it comes to parting with the cash.....
Big plus for this site for information and advice but I wouldn't want to be just looking at adverts for gear in the notifications column.
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I've bought a few things off Ribnet (large outboard, gauges etc) & do feel it is a site that inspires confidence in the vendors!
I think that a lot of people have had good experiences buying and selling on RIBnet.

Between thus all we're generally pretty good at spotting potential scams which does give a degree of screening, but every transaction should be considered on its individual merits. We know that most deals done around RIBnet have gone well (believe me, we'd have heard about it if not!) but don't assume that this is always automatically going to be the case.

Just as a reminder, if anyone spots an ad here that they think looks dodgy then the best thing to do is report it to the admin team by clicking on this icon to the left of the post. If you receive a suspcious PM then please forward it to me or one of the other mods.
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