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Old 06 January 2007, 07:02   #21
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Tango,

GRP boats are labour intensive to build and so are inevitable slighly cheaper in other countries where labour costs are lower (and usually so are the standards of living / conditions for the people that put your boat together).

Bare boat price (ex VAT) though I think you will find that Leeway could make you an 8.3m boat for that price - with UK support/service/backup; much reduced delivery costs etc. The ability to enforce contracts if it all goes tits up - because it is English law. The ability to see similar boats he has built before, to see it in construction (so you know he is not skimping on materials), you know the tubes are built by a professional etc. He doesn't currently offer a 9m boat... He is probably the cheapest in the UK but hasn't built up a Brand etc as such.

I think the issues you will have in this potential purchase are: (1) who is going to CE/RCD certify this as an imported boat (2) the price you quote will be exclusive of VAT [and any other import duties] (3) transporting a boat from Russia will not be cheap. Assuming you are not planning to sail it back from the Baltic I expect a 9m rib is going to cost you at least another 1k (probably more) to get back from Russia. Add 2k for VAT. Add the cost/effort of dealing with RCD importation as well as the "risk" in a russian transaction, the lack of support (even if it is a legitiamite Revenger (unlikely) then don't expect Revneger UK to support a grey import), the inability to get parts (or probably anyone to service) a russian engine and saving a few pounds for a bare boat is no longer attractive. Oh, and beware that language/culture barriers may mean that a UK builder is quoting you a boat, with console, tubes, a frame etc - because they are all effectively prerequisites but the russian may not be.

All without a single bit of sentimentality or patriotism - just reality - if it was that easy then the builder would be marketing to the UK direct - raking in the money and everyone here would be saving thousands...
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Old 06 January 2007, 07:08   #22
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To sum it up, "if it looks too good to be true then it probably is"...
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Old 06 January 2007, 07:28   #23
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Old 06 January 2007, 07:31   #24
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I know I'll get shot to pieces for saying this, but here goes ....

Those of us of more 'mature' years will remember a very similar debate with the British Motorcycle industry following the first Japanese imports. British was undoubtedly best, but it didn't take long for the British 'head in the sand' attitude to bite them where it hurt, and pretty permanently too.

We face a global commercial threat from the so-called 'BRIC' countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China) and the sooner we face up to this the sooner we might be able to retain what little industry we have left in this country.

I await the torrent of abuse ...!!

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ps - would I buy a RIB from Russia - NO! I wouldn't take the risk, but there's plenty who will.
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please just wait little.

when i find out more next week yous will be the first to know. i am not talking about importing ten boats just one for me. their are many ways of getting the boat here. tax etc is not as bad as it looks as you would get 20% off the price if it is for export ,and yes i still think we pay too much here for many things not just boats.guys we are all on the same side here arent we? ps i have to write them an email this weekend with what i want from them ie spec etc. when i have done this i will post a copy of it here for all of yous to read. pps here is a small pic of one of their boats.
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Old 06 January 2007, 08:46   #26
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when i find out more next week yous will be the first to know. i am not talking about importing ten boats just one for me. their are many ways of getting the boat here. tax etc is not as bad as it looks as you would get 20% off the price if it is for export ,and yes i still think we pay too much here for many things not just boats.guys we are all on the same side here arent we? ps i have to write them an email this weekend with what i want from them ie spec etc. when i have done this i will post a copy of it here for all of yous to read. pps here is a small pic of one of their boats.
Very small pic
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Old 06 January 2007, 08:51   #27
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So how do we get UK boat builders to pay VERY low wages so you can have cheaper boats? The cost of living is much higher in the UK, so what we make will be more expensive!! It's not that hard to work out!
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when i find out more next week yous will be the first to know. i am not talking about importing ten boats just one for me. their are many ways of getting the boat here. tax etc is not as bad as it looks as you would get 20% off the price if it is for export ,and yes i still think we pay too much here for many things not just boats.guys we are all on the same side here arent we? ps i have to write them an email this weekend with what i want from them ie spec etc. when i have done this i will post a copy of it here for all of yous to read. pps here is a small pic of one of their boats.
Well, you have sold it to me, I shall move to Russia to become a boat builder and live happily ever after!!
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when i find out more next week yous will be the first to know. i am not talking about importing ten boats just one for me. their are many ways of getting the boat here. tax etc is not as bad as it looks as you would get 20% off the price if it is for export ,and yes i still think we pay too much here for many things not just boats.guys we are all on the same side here arent we? ps i have to write them an email this weekend with what i want from them ie spec etc. when i have done this i will post a copy of it here for all of yous to read. pps here is a small pic of one of their boats.
So you're buying a boat, from Russia, without EVER seeing it?

Wanna buy my car?
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guys we are all on the same side here arent we?
Well ignoring the ecconomic arguments for buying a UK or EU produced boat which support the 'local' ecconomy(ies), and the 'balance of payments'.

- the reason why people are being slighlty confrontational with you is: most people who post on these forums (especially new users) are either trying to get help/advice/information or are offering help/advice/information/recommendations.

YOU appear to be eaither (1) boasting about how much money you are going to save, when you haven't actually got a quote or worked out the other issues OR (2) trying to lure people into using you as a conduit to make these sales (or perhaps you are actually a russian boat builder).

When people have tried to offer advice or comments on the possible downsides of buying in russia you have been dismissive or ignored it.

If you have found such a great deal; don't want the rest of the world to know the details of the deal; don't want advice or help with the deal; etc then why post it on the internet - especially before you have all the facts

To further my suspicions a quick google suggests that list prices at russian boat builders is not enormously cheaper than the UK e.g. 3750 for a 3.9m bare boat rib; 7500 for a bare boat 5.5m rib. These prices will be excluding VAT.
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