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Old 03 March 2004, 04:55   #11
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Jools... We will inded be at the marina. We used to do a quick run through in the marina in the morning, then go out into the channel in the afternoon....

We only did it the once... The amount of fine sediment the Severn is so famous for cancelled out the effect of the luminescence & gave zero (and I mean ABSOULUTELY zero) vis. Plus we capsized just off the lifeboat slipway at Sugarloaf Beach & ended up past Redcliffe Bay! So now we just stick to the Marina!

Fingers crossed for some warmer weather than we have had of late!

Where do you keep "Panther"? I don't believe I've seen her out in the Severn???
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I keep Panther all tucked up nice and warm inside a farmers barn!!

Being on a trailer I than take it all over the place and have various runs.

Last year we put her in at Portishead and went up to the Bristol harbour regatta, returning from Bristol at night - which was fun! - and then had a trip out under the bridges to the swellies on the Sunday.

Hope to get her our again soon!

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may be hard to see in the pic - but this is at the swellies, and the water is just bubbling all around - very strange up-currents of sand and mud!

You can also see the Severn Bridge, and further back the Second Severn Crossing

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Old 16 March 2004, 10:54   #14
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I managed to get dome photos taken of the capsize exercise... I'll post them up here if people are interested...
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Very interested Adam.

Post away !!
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Post away!

I'm very interested in seeing pics of a capsize!!
It could be very useful in the future!!

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Apologies to all.... I am still waiting for the photos. I'll post them asap.

In the meantime, here is a copy of the handout I gave the crew to accompany the drills.

Capsize Drills

WHY DO I NEED TO KNOW THIS?

Capsizing a RIB will only occur in adverse weather conditions, or if a RIB is being used irresponsibly. The likelihood of ever being involved in a RIB capsize is minimal, but you need to be prepared for getting yourself out of the situation if it arises. The more prepared you are to correct the capsize, the better chance you have of surviving. Should you be involved in a capsize, you will be in shock, you may be injured, you may have colleagues or friends who are injured, and you will be in the water and getting cold. Knowing what steps to take next could make the difference between life and death! Equally, your actions in helping a casualty who has capsized could make the difference between saving a life or recovering bodies.

ACTIONS TO TAKE AFTER A CAPSIZE NO SELF RIGHTING CAPABILITY

1) Initial Actions

a) Composure: Take a few seconds to compose yourself!
b) Number off: Starting at Number 1, all number off until all crew are accounted for. Missing numbers could indicate an unconscious crewman, or one trapped under the water. Or a shocked crewman.
2) Re-group and prepare for recovery

a) Get underneath the boat. This is the safest & warmest place to be. You will also get the natural light of the luminescence.
b) Rig up your self-righting line. Tie a line along the length of the boat from the bow to an aft davit or lifting eye to one side of the boat

3) Recover the capsize

a) Leave one person under the rib, who should lie along the side of the PIVOT sponson
b) All other crew should get on top of the RIB and line up along the PIVOT sponson
c) Take hold of the line that is running along the sponson to be lifted
d) Lean back & right the boat

4) The future

a) Once back in the righted RIB, take stock of your position. Unless your engines have PIRS (Post Immersion Restart System) capability, you may well not get going again!
b) Start to survive. Consider: Conserving body warmth; making others aware of your predicament; Taking proactive steps to ensure survival.



Feedback (+ve or -ve) most definatley welcome.... we are all still learning all the time!
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Adam,

No chance!!!!!

OK your drill is written with the best possible motives, but real scenarios just don't happen like that.

Was it here (on this thread?) that someone wrote that RNLI or MCA tests showed that in reality there's very little air trapped under a capsized RIB.

If RIB capsizes, then there's probably a helluva sea running... so the upside down thing will be bobbing around like a wild thing - so I would never advise anyone to go under the inverted hull (except to extract someone) because...
think of all those s-steel back rests inverted - you would risk knocking yourself/crew unconscious. Stay out and think about getting help.

Here's my suggestion - keep a h/h VHF attached to you, and work out a way of keeping mini-flares attached to you as well. This is a situation where you would need outside help. If you think you would be able to recover from it yourself you are naive and will die. It's that simple.
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If you think you would be able to recover from it yourself you are naive and will die. It's that simple.
To put it bluntly......

How big is this boat that you were righting?
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Even in flat conditions I would not have thought that putting all the crew under the upturned boat would be the best place to be.

On my Sea Survival Course I did a few years ago, the number 1 tip was get out of the water. Therefore I would have thought the best place to be would be for the crew to climb onto the upturned hull of the boat. Then form a huddle and try and keep warm.

From this position you would also be able to see any other boats and wave shout etc - not much chance of being seen if your underneath!!

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