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Old 15 March 2014, 10:28   #41
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Well, I can't get any more info on the GTC products as they are closed for the weekend but I have sent an email.

SPOT Gen3 Satellite GPS Messenger

I think the spot 3 is quite appealing as it has an SOS function which would give it the same functionality as a PLB? I was thinking about getting a PLB anyway after reading about Andy Proudfoot's ordeal (in this months power boat magazine) when he fell out of this boat and couldn't swim to it as boat was drifting away from him, his PLB saved his life.

Paul, not sure why you are hung up on geofencing as the gps position update will tell you were the boat is. Just a bit of a PITA a suppose to check the position daily I suppose

The only disadvantage is the annual service plan (a bit confusing on the website) which is £110 a year - not sure how that compares to the Garmin GT10 costs?
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I can see the need for a geofence if your boat is on a swinging mooring.

A lot of the devices have a function to send a text if it detects movement, either through accelerometers, or if is moves.

With the boat swinging to a mooring, it will be sending constant alerts to say the thing is moving.

With a Geofence, you can set a parameter that sends you an alert if the boat moves more than xxx meters, or outside a defined geographical set of boundaries, so the boat could be swinging at the mooring, but not outside of the limits, so you dont get constant false alerts.

I would want a geofence to alert me if the boat has either been pinched, or has broken free of the mooring and drifting.

A geofence is one of the things which I was most interested in when i looked at the Garmin, plus the ability to tell me if the mains (boat battery) had been disconnected, or went dead.

I may just bite the bullet in the summer and go for a sattelite tracker, and the Mapping as well.

Unless someone has a cheaper alternative, such as booby traps, Man traps, filling the boat with a load of poisionous snakes etc....
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Well, I can't get any more info on the GTC products as they are closed for the weekend but I have sent an email.

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I think SPR is a reseller?
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Had an email response from GTC and maybe the dock feature means geofence is no longer required. I would be more concerned of how long the battery would last (I have the attached file containing battery performance - so pm me if you would like a copy) but maybe it could be hardwired in.

Thanks for your email.

If you are using the device purely for tracking your boat and nothing else I would definitely recommend the SPOT Trace as this has been designed with boats in mind and has a ‘Dock Mode’ to allow for slight movements:

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For assets stored on the water, where vibration would cause false tracking, enable Dock Mode to help eliminate tracks caused by waves while the boat is safely docked. When Dock Mode is enabled, Trace uses the vibration sensor and location to determine if track messages should be sent. Based on the assumption that a boat will be moving continuously when docked, Trace compares GPS readings to determine if the boat is actually changing locations. When a couple of GPS readings are the same, it will suspend Tracking. The device will continue to obtain readings from the GPS at whatever rate Tracking is set to (2.5 min, 5 min etc.) When two readings are more than 200 meters apart, Tracking will resume. If the boat is stationary and motion is low enough that vibration is not detected, Tracking can also be suspended due to lack of movement.

If you need to use the device for advanced features like SOS then SPOT 3 would be more suitable although this does not have the dock mode so could potentially send out tracking locations when the boat hasn’t moved anywhere.

Both devices require an annual service plan to operate. Please note that if you choose the basic service plan with SPOT the tracking feature is limited to a minimum of 10 minutes and needs to be reset after 24 hours. It is therefore recommended that you go for the Unlimited Tracking plan which allows for 5 minute tracking with no reset after 24 hours (it will transmit continually until movement stops).

The annual service plans include the online configuration tool and mapping software.

The tracking messages can be sent automatically by email e.g. if SPOT Trace detects movement it will send an email to advise you of this.

I have attached the estimated battery life of SPOT Trace although this assumes a lot of movement. In our testing, it has lasted for three months so far with needing a recharge (this is with occasional movement twice a day and stationary the remainder).

Finally, please note that the SPOT Trace is not currently available in the EU but will be shortly. The airtime plans have not yet been finalised but will likely be similar to Spot 3.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

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FINALLY.....

Have had a confirmation Email to tell me myhttps://www.thetileapp.com/ is ready for dispatch.

Hopefully, with all the time (and money..!!) they've had, this product should work 'out of the box'

Will let you know how i get on with it.
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Are you using tile for RIB security?

Would be interested to see how you find it, as it seems to be for smaller items that you misplace within a small area - not a big thing that's taken in the dead of the night down the motorways to the back of beyond?
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Are you using tile for RIB security?

Would be interested to see how you find it, as it seems to be for smaller items that you misplace within a small area - not a big thing that's taken in the dead of the night down the motorways to the back of beyond?
30m range & only lasts a year
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30m range & only lasts a year
Which is one of the reasons why this product will work better the more people buy them.

As long as the tile is within 30m of somebody running the App, then effectively the range is unlimited.

If my boat disappears in the dead of night, is taken by somebody who hasn't the App installed on their phone, and then stored in barn in the middle of nowwhere for over a year....then i'm screwed.!

Hence why i would prob use a better (more expensive) method if i owned a highly desirable/expensive rib.

My other concern is that hopefully there isn't a way that the App can work in reverse, therefore letting people know you where you live and exactly where all your precious items are stored.!!

The great thing about it is it's size, it's small enough to hide, so it won't cause alarm for the person stealing my boat/my wallet/my car keys and it won't be a drain on a battery/or need charging.

....and at £15 i think it's worth a punt. In fact i bought 3..!!

Hopefully no more lost keys....!!!
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I like the idea for lost keys in the house, but wouldn't use it for anything more.

How will the iPhone battery cope with this app updating all the time?
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How will the iPhone battery cope with this app updating all the time?
Don't know really.?

....or if people will allow the App to access their Iphones GPS.

(a lot of fuss on the internet about Facebook messenger at the moment)

Then there is the problem of if you do get something nicked, and you do manage to track where it is (could be abroad..?) are the police going to interested.?

I have bought the product mainly as a tracker to help find lost keys and wallet, but can't see the harm in sticking one on the rib 'somewhere'...?
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So...

My 4 tiles turned up a few months ago.

Had to pay a £20 sales tax....but that's another story.!!

As for the tiles...

They work really well in a local capacity. (I.e when your in Bluetooth range with your own phone) I can 'find' my wallet and keys in my house. The tile also has a beep to help you locate it.(as well as vibrates) As well as a map on my iPhone.

They also will let you know where you last left your article. I have one in my wallet, one on my keys (same for the missus).

My tiles are connected to my phone and my wife's tiles connected to hers.

If I leave my wallet in the office at work then providing it was within range of my phone then when I get home and fire the app up on my iPhone it will tell me where my wallet is (or was if someone's stolen it.!!)

Apparently the 'share' option is live now but I find it all a little confusing and I'm happy using it in a local capacity.

Battery life seems to be ok.?

They haven't done what I expected them to do but weren't significant money to worry about.

I prob won't buy any more, unless the 'share' option is upgraded.
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So, there has been various discussions on here in the past about GPS trackers for Boats (or Cars or anything really). There seemed to be a lot of scepticism about the delights available from various Chinese suppliers on Evil Bay. My investigations found three or four devices of which there appear to be a few re-badged efforts about. None were perfect for my needs, nor I suspect most boaters needs.

Mini A8
Runs off a USB Mini?Micro supply so you need a USB power supply installing from your 12V supply. Not a deal breaker but an extra hassle.
Unconvinced it actually uses GPS tracking, rather using cell tower positioning. Now if someone nicks a £50k RIB I’d expect the police to put in the effort of trying to find it using a position that is not perfect.
Does have its own internal power source so that if the thieving scoundrels cut the power will still work, but cant see that it will tell you if its been cut so the scoundrels can cut it 1 day and come back a few days later to nick it.
Not sure it can tell me the asset has been nicked which for me where an asset may sit for a month on occasions without being checked is useless as even if I sent it a text every day to check position thats 24 hours a thief could have taken it someplace and then started stripping it including the tracker.

GPS Vehicle Tracker
12V power
No battery backup. Thief can kill the battery and is sorted. Nicking a car thats tricky (but not impossible as some cars get nicked by towing away) as they can’t just disconnect the whole battery, but on a boat, caravan etc where power is not integral in towing it away you can do as you like.
Appears to use GPS rather than cell tower
Still not sure it knows vehicle is on the move in an unauthorised way
Has what it is plastered all over it! Nothing like making it easy for the thief to know what to disconnect!
GPS
USB Powered. Comes with 240V supply which is not much use in a vehicle / boat
Does offer some form of fencing so can presumably alert if it moves outside a defined area
Has GPS plastered all over it.

GPS Vehicle Tracker
Claims to be waterproof on ebay, the instruction booklet claims IPX6 - wouldn’t want to test that but probably better than some of the other offerings, it still needs to be inside a dry area of a boat
12V Power
Battery Backed Up
No GPS text on the case. It looks very generic as a fairly rugged black box. There is an IMEI sticker on it which a discerning thief should know means it contains a phone.
Can detect vibration based movement (has to use less power than GPS Fencing?)
Can be activated by ignition switching on
Can be set to have a speed limit alert. If your RIB does max on the water speed of 40kts set the limit at 60MPH and if your thief is trundling down the motorway you’ll get a text…?
Can be linked to a relay to cut power or fuel. Haven’t investigated that, but option exists….
Power failure (supply cut) alarm
Mountable with zip tie or supplied sticky backed velcro
4 lead power cable supplied

You’ve probably gathered I think the one above probably ticks all the boxes for me and most people on here. So I picked one up from China for about £15. Took a while to get here - nothing new if you’ve ever but electronics from China! This is my little review…
I got a GiffGaff SIM which comes free but needs £10 first top up to activate it (they then give you £5 free). Provided I then call the SIM at least once every 90 days the number remains active and the credit remains usable. If I do use £15 of credit up minimum replacement top-up is £5. Can be set to automatically top up when reaches £3 credit if you are concerned that you might run out of credit at a critical moment.

The unboxing is rather unremarkable. It came in a little brown cardboard box with the tracker, the lead including an inline 10A Spade Fuse (manual says 2A) and a Manual. The Manual is one of the finest pieces of Chinglish I’ve read in the last 2 hours! A double sided velcro pad is provided.

The manual claims to be IPX6 waterproof which is splash proof but not immersible. It has a rubber cover over the SIM card slot but I’d have some uncertainty at how good it would be - but its certainly more likely to be water resistant than some of the other offerings above. Behind the rubber cover is a SIM slot (standard full sized SIM) and a USB Micro Port. (Not 100% sure what the USB Port does certainly it can charge the battery if not connected to 12V… the Chinglish Manual isn’t too precise). There is also a small LED which will give diagnostics (Yellow for the GSM SIM Card, Blue the GPS). This is conveniently covered by the rubber cover so a thief seeing the box in a hatch etc will not instantly be drawn to a flashing light.

Wiring it up is pretty simple. Red and Black wires to 12V power supply as per normal convention. Yellow wire would be the +ve side of a relay for oil/electrical isolation. For a boat this would only be of any use if the concern is the boat will be stolen afloat. I may add one of these to my new car, but still not sure I’d want to mess with the electrics / fuel supply! Orange wire comes from the ignition feed - you can prompt an alarm to be triggered from the engine being started.

Configuration is by means of a text message to the SIM. You can configure:
Password to stop others from hacking your device (a discerning thief can try reconfiguring using the tracking website with the IMEI # and the default password hence change it!)
A Mobile number to send alarms to (i.e. your own mobile #)
Armed or Unarmed. Or Armed if stationary for 10 minutes (I think that would annoy me on something that moves around a lot!)
Vibration sensitivity (you can choose how long to vibrate before alarming…)
Speed alarm

How does it work? Either the system alerts you to movement depending on your configuration or you ask it where it is by simply texting it the message “where” It should reply with a date, time and link which will open in google maps. Alternatively you can use your smart phone to track it with a free ap (Android and iPhone, sorry don’t know about Blackberry or WinPhone but suspect someone will have an ap and you can change servers).

All in all, for £25 (£15 device, £10 credit on SIM) you can have a GPS Tracker that will do the job of some of the far more expensive trackers and will have no additional running costs provided you don’t send it more than 1500 commands / position requests. Certainly cheaper than £150 for the Garmin!

The unit needed some commands sent to get it to connect to GPRS, but despite this I couldn’t get it to play with its official website tk666gps.com. I suspect it was connecting but I couldn’t login to the website to see the tracks. So instead I reconfigured the device to use a different server instead. Details of the configuration I’ve used are over hereSoggy Sailor: Configuring the LK206 / LK210 GPS Tracker - as I may update them over time (obviously I haven’t used real IMEI, Passwords or the like!).

I plan on putting mine in my caravan which sits in a (relatively insecure!) field most of the year - as the field isn’t secure enough its uninsurable against theft but its a cheap tatty van, used as a base rather than a luxury holiday home. It will use the 12V battery in the van which has Solar Panel to keep it topped up. Ignition sensor will serve no purpose. Movement detection: will be the main way for it to work (i.e. moving from its current GPS location). Initial testing seems to indicate that if I do that with the default 300m setting then when it sends the movement message by SMS, it hasn’t yet detected the speed and the marker on the map is hard to spot its moved. So I have increased that to 500m, thats a compromise that means I get less warning of movement - but even at 100m its too far gone to disturb them and make them leave empty handed. It’ll be better to get a message that is convincingly a genuine alarm than a false alarm as by van is 30 miles away so I can’t just look out the window and checks its there. I haven’t found a setting to stop it phoning me when it alarms so I get an SMS with location then the device phones me - I think so you can hear the thieves talking…

Vibration detection: so far testing suggests it needs a lot of vibration. Just being in a car with the engine on/moving doesn’t seem to trigger it. I would suspect for those who keep a boat afloat this needs to be disabled. For those who keep it ashore - it would need a lot of vibration to activate it… ...maybe stealing an engine!

Ignition on detection: not something I expect to use in the caravan, and if I fit it to my car as well I don’t think I will actually arm and disarm it routinely unless leaving it somewhere dodgy. (There are posher models that can be linked into central locking to arm). So I’d just expect to use it to find the car when I come back and find an empty space where I left it - although there will be the risk that I’ll find the tracker in a layby having been found and ripped out. On a boat if you leave it afloat I’d wire it in. If you leave it ashore I’d be less fussed as the other sensors would alert first. You could use the ignition on line for anything you want such as a switch on a door/hatch sensor etc.

Oil off: Not 100% sure I’d bring myself to do this - for fear it disables me when I don’t want it to! No reason to think it would! Anyway while they suggest Fuel Pump off or Electrical Supply Off I could see uses for Alarm Siren On too...

If its on GPRS mode it doesn’t seem to send a text except for power failure alert. Although I may be wrong, I may not have done enough testing. If you wanted to track your boating for the day you could flip it in and out of GPRS Mode for the cost of two texts. (Total 12p on GiffGaff, plus 20p for the day of data).

Signal Jamming - I’ve read online that professional thieves are using signal jammers. Pretty much nothing you can do about that. People online are claiming the expensive units aren’t affected - I can’t see how thats possible - if you can signal jam the SMS / GPRS frequency - job done. It can identify the cell tower its on so if the jamming was for GPS it is still traceable by people who know what they are doing.

Value for money - I suspect if you have £50k+ RIB you may be prepared to pay more and would only be spending 0.4% of boat value on tracking if you spend £200 a year on a dedicated monitored solution. If you have a £2k project RIB spending 10% of the boat value per year on tracking feels excessive, if my solution works for 2 years you are in the same ballpark expenditure by percentage value. But if a thief is dedicated enough to steal my £1k van with a signal jammer etc he can have it! If he gets caught I expect the courts to throw the book at him for being professionally tooled up. If some joyrider nicks it for kicks I can hopefully find it..

Its probably worth pointing out that some of the other systems that I dismissed above may have some fairly useful functions on board a boat though. Particularly the SOS button which could send you a text with a position if they were in difficulty (provided they were in reach of a cell tower on the right provider).

Some of the alerts send and SMS and call you (I couldn’t actually hear anything and I’m not sure where the microphone would be - so I suspect this is a redundant feature from software from other models). That voice call is a mobile to mobile voice call which on a PAYG SIM is not cheap. From what I understand it lasts 5 minutes. If you don’t want to hear it don’t do what I did and hit the red button on your mobile when it calls (I was testing - I knew there were no baddies stealing my car/boat/caravan). Doing so redirects to voicemail. Doing that gets you and expensive 5 minute voicemail with nothing to hear! In the event of a real theft that might be the right thing to do as then if anything was heard it would be recorded ;-)
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Well it seems there are people out there who track their boats. I don't plan to track my boat but track a caravan that lives in a field that doesn't meet any of the normal security standards expected of a caravan site. Its not mega value van and any insurance if it was available would be at least 1/4 of the price of the van, no doubt there would be an excess which would be as much again so I could effectively insure against half the value of the van. If it did get nicked I get half the value of the van back and even if I got the whole value back there is a lot of tinkering on the van - adding solar panels, smoke alarms, CO alarms etc that I'd then spend several weekends arranging again. I suspect the same applies to low end RIBs. They may often be stored places that might not satisfy insurers, even if they aren't and all the other demands of insurers about hitchlocks, wheel locks, engine locks and any other locks they might come up with if a £2k Searider Package gets nicked and has a £350 excess you are still down £350. Even then again there will be extras, both in time and cost that the insurance wont really take into account and buying a replacement boat wont get you.

Add to that the small possibility that some scroat who drives all our premiums up might actually get caught...
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