View Poll Results: Do you subscribe to RIB International, and what do you think of it?
I subscribe to RIB International and think it is okay 6 9.52%
I subscribe to RIB International and think it needs a lot of improvement 26 41.27%
I have never subscribed to RIB International 20 31.75%
I used to subscribe but cancelled my subscription 11 17.46%
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Old 01 October 2002, 15:11   #41
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Keith, for someone who has never read RI I think you have the business plan off to a tee!
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Old 02 October 2002, 05:13   #42
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Guess what! I just had a phone call from Hugo Montgomery-Swan enquiring about my motivation for starting this poll. I explained that it was at the request of one of our members (see the trouble you started Keith?!), but he didn't seem to believe me and thought it was somehow a strange thing to be discussing

I explained that as the only RIB magazine currently available, RIB International is a very natural topic for discussion by ribsters. You only have to look at the number of follow up posts to realise this.

When I asked him whether he had enjoyed reading all your views, Hugo said that he had only had a quick look and hadn't read it in detail. Seems a missed opportunity for RIB International really -- quality market research free and for gratis!

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Old 02 October 2002, 05:39   #43
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I have just spent a very enjoyable week-end (amongst others) with HMS, his son, Thomas and 19 other ribsters. On the passage from St.Malo to Iles Chausey, Hugo was sitting next to me and I decided to broach the subject of rib.net, RI etc, etc. My first question to him was if he had been aware, or even seen the poll on rib.net (I don't believe polls prove anything btw) which he had not. I briefly explained what it was all about and the results, as well as all the comments and feedback. He was not surprised and maintains that there is always room for improvement. This probably precipitated the phone-call. I have a lot of respect for Hugo, and all I can say is, if you can do it better have a go! Ultimately its your decision spending a few pounds 6 times a year. Yes, its the only Rib publication and there are articles that annoy me too........!!

He has attempted on more than one occasion to create a letters page, much like this forum, but no-one ever writes in. He has asked countless people to write articles on rib-related issues, no-one ever does. A magazine is only as successful as its readers, the input and then of course the editor delivering what the input has dictated. Unfortunately, we all like to critisise, why not drop him a line with a few ideas. If it is a good idea, I have his word that he will publish it.

Let's all work together instead of knocking each other, ribs and ribbing are a small part of boating and we all need to stick together and make it more enjoyable for all.
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Old 02 October 2002, 13:34   #44
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Charles,

You have issued a challenge.

If YOU (that is the collective 'you', not 'you' as in Charles) think YOU can do it then write an article for RI and submit it to them.

I write articles for the magic press. I did one for Riblines (BIBOA magazine). I'm going to do one for RI. Although I suspect that the adventures of a George Clooney lookalike, in a 3.4m sib with a 15hp engine, might not appeal so much as adventures like your recent one Charles.

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Old 02 October 2002, 13:47   #45
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well I've written lots for 'em in the distant past when I had time to spare and I'm sure that if the article is up to your normal ribnet standards they'll print it Keith, particularly if the author's fee is right
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particularly if the author's fee is right
Just out of interest, does anyone know what the going rate is for an article in RIB International?

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Keith....I have had an article published and another one probably in the next issue. It does not bother me to be paid or not, or even if my name is displayed next to the article. I am not a 'guru' or anything of the sort, but if I have information that others could benefit by, then I will happily share it.

John...the fee is based on mutual agreement, so I believe. As an example, about 3000 words is worth 350.00, or thereabouts. You will certainly not retire on the monies acrued from submitting your (anyones) ramblings.

Articles such as Mike's (Garside) re-engining with accompanying photographs would go down well. Hugo is also interested in starting a cruising column. For example, if you have just completed an interesting cruise, you could write an article describing it, giving waypoints and other bits of useful information beneficial to anyone attempting to do a similar cruise. These are all good ideas we can all support, and hopefully learn from.
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Charles,

Don't think that the character of HMS is the matter for debate. I think he's a perfectly reasonable chap and I have a degree of respect for him for organising events such as RB4 in the face of healthy sceptism (to put it lightly) from some quarters!

But I really don't believe that its all a question of us Ribsters pulling together to help him make RIB International into the magazine we apparently all want. RIBLINES (Biboa mag) yes - its a club, a non profit making organisation. But RI is a business and we are consumers. We can chose to spend our hard earned on a RIB Magazine or not. The message that seems to come across loud and clear is that many do because there is no alternative whilst some don't at all. If HMS is truly bothered about improvement why has there been no significant change to date?

A letters page was mooted. A cruising club did exist momentarily, the website puports to be the "information centre for ribs" but offers very little. Fact is, THE place for Rib info is the rib.net forum which is run as a part time non profit making operation by JK with input from you, me and a number of others who probably ought to be doing a lot more work during the days than posting here!

RI is a professional operation. HMS and his team are professional magazine publishers, editors, writers etc. So shouldn't they do a professional job?

And whilst you personally may wish to contribute articles with the very public spirited motives of educating others, I have to beg to differ. I don't mind writing for RIBLINES for free or posting my drivel on here for free. But I believe that if one writes for a proper grown up magazine (supposedly) then one should be paid the fair rate for it! (Not that I have a clue what the fair rate is or any particular desire to write for RI or any other magazine.)

The interesting thing with this thread and this board right now is that there are clearly people about with publishing experience. Is a game afoot? Who knows but its fun watching isn't it?

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Well they cannot publish articles if they don't get submitted in the first place-and its not difficult particularly these days with word processing and e mails, you can write the piece in word and not even have to go out to the box to post it, so go for it. But good quality photos are always in demand to go with any article. I'm looking forward to seeing the revitalised RIB int when the ribnet articles go in.
ps I'm too scared to send any more in now with you lot watching Dave (wimp)
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to HMS, I submitted an article on a cruise from pwhelli to dublin (which was a bit hairy) a couple of years ago. He was quite prepared to publish it if I could get down to Salcombe for a photo shoot of the boat and crew, ( apparently pictures are more important than words but with no knowledge of publishing, I will accede to this.) which was not possible at the time. So maybe the opportunity is there for us all to become authors in print. But only if you have got a camera with you. Lesson learnt. D.M.
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