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Old 09 October 2012, 11:16   #11
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Re Reputable Brokers.

Clearly I can't defend the indefensible and if you have been "stitched up" by a broker, then I'm as appalled as you. And I can't claim that having a financial stake in a sale won't lead some people astray.

As it happens, when acting as brokers we would always suggest people get a mechanics report or a print out of the engine - as much to protect our reputation as their satisfaction. In fact in most cases (as in the Zodiac 550 Pro Open we,ve just advertised), we would get that information in advance of advertising the boat.

I think that an ethical broker who is looking to build or keep a good reputation would be able to see that "stitching someone up" for the sake of a quick profit is not the way to build a business.

If we sell a boat on behalf of someone else, we are always keen to inspect the boat before advertising it and certainly wouldn't look to cover up or omit to mention something which would materially effect the value or performance. If we are selling our own stock, we are legally obliged to offer a warranty and therefore do.

We know a lot about ribs and I could easily write a list of each popular rib manufacturer and the likely faults with a used rib of theirs - and some unlikely ones. Part of our service is to make sure the customer is informed and ultimately happy with their purchase.

Have to stop now and polish my Halo

Seriously though, I know there are dishonest people out their who claim to be reputable brokers, but equally, there are those who don't see the point in going through life ripping people off and I wasn't seriously suggesting that you "take things at face value" just because someone's got an "honest face"

So to address the point directly - if you are not sure about the honesty of who you are buying from then an independent opinion can't be a bad thing!
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Old 09 October 2012, 11:53   #12
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RIBS are generally simple boats compared to cruisers, cars etc. it is pretty simple to check the electrics are working and you can usually check the hull condition when the boat is out of the water. This leaves tubes, trailer, steering and engine(s). I guess the main problem with tubes would be spotting a slow leak as most other things are easily observable.. When were the trailer bearings last replaced, brakes serviced etc. and check for receipts as some form of proof. I would like to know when the steering was last serviced and parts replaced as appropriate (eg. Hyd fluid changed) again looking for proof. Personally I would walk away from any boat where the engine does not have a complete, up to date dealer service history. I would also phone the relevant dealers to check that the history given is genuine.

I would recommend that when you look at boats you take a friend with you. Hopefully they won't be wearing rose tinted glasses when they look at it.

Hope you enjoy your boat when you get one.
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Old 09 October 2012, 12:48   #13
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Duncan is a good guy, but far the best person to talk into looking at a rib is someone who builds them, they will know the inside track to the layup as well as all the little things like engine mounts etc, I recently looked at a boat for someone that was surveyed by a bonafide guy ( not a rib and not Duncan) the engine mounts were just coach bolted into the stringers and had just pulled out under load, things like this are easy to spot if you had first hand experience at building them
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Old 09 October 2012, 13:49   #14
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Guys this is all great. Many thanks. I will reach out to anyone offering their services personally. I especially thank those that actually give a heads up on what to look for and to leave the rose tinted glasses at home. ;-)
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Old 09 October 2012, 15:11   #15
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Advice come once you know what boat you're looking at, different manufacturers have different problems, also the year can make a difference too, some ribeye and ribtec boats were built in Africa in certain years also some boats from most builders were rigged by contractors which can be either good or bad. Some boats are built to a price regardless of where they are made so don't bother with them. Some older boats have been redone and that opens up a whole can of worm, if you get a boat like say Jizm is doing you'll get a good boat, he purchased the boat which is a cobra and it was falling apart and badly made but now it's done right, so you could get a bad or a good one from the same year.
What I'm saying is you'll have to bite the bullet and get someone to look at whatever you're buying to be really sure
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Old 10 October 2012, 16:40   #16
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Advice come once you know what boat you're looking at, different manufacturers have different problems, also the year can make a difference too, some ribeye and ribtec boats were built in Africa in certain years also some boats from most builders were rigged by contractors which can be either good or bad. Some boats are built to a price regardless of where they are made so don't bother with them. Some older boats have been redone and that opens up a whole can of worm, if you get a boat like say Jizm is doing you'll get a good boat, he purchased the boat which is a cobra and it was falling apart and badly made but now it's done right, so you could get a bad or a good one from the same year.
What I'm saying is you'll have to bite the bullet and get someone to look at whatever you're buying to be really sure
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Old 10 October 2012, 17:02   #17
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Nice one Willk!!

Got to agree with you. Have only bought one boat and have been very happy with it but the cars I have bought off 'reputable' dealers - another story.
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Old 10 October 2012, 18:08   #18
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That was quite good, two Oxymorons in one post

Seriously though - do you really mean that a boat broker (a beneficiary of the sale) would fulfill the same function as a Marine Surveyor/inspector/mechanic? Surely there is a conflict of interest there somewhere?

You seem to be suggesting that people should dispense with the services of marine surveyors in favour of buying from an "honest John" broker. Who are the reputable brokers? Are they certified or inspected for "reputation"?

Now, if a broker was offering me a warranty, instead of the usual telephone book's worth of legalese cop-out weasel words, then I might have more confidence in trusting him to sell me a good 'un.

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Being Irish doesn't mean we can not smell bullsh1t
Yep so right! We smell enough of it every day not to be able to recognise it when we smell it from somewhere else!
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Old 11 October 2012, 17:36   #20
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In defence of serious brokers (like myself). If you think that I would sell someone a boat without doing due diligence as to the authenticity of the description, makinig sure that the price reflected the market value of the boat, making sure the prospective purchaser was aware of any deatil that might cause them to be disappointed with the purchase and giving the prospective purchaser the opportunity of a thorough sea trial prior to completeing the purchase of the boat; you clearly don't knowe me!

I have sold many boats to RIBnet "members" and I'm sure they would have voiced any dissatifactions or "rip offs".

Yes there are dishonest people out there (hello E-Bay), but there are also honest people who work very hard to make sure that their reputation gives people confidence in buying from / through them.

We typically make 7% comission on a sale and mostly deal with sub 40K sales. If you think I (or other reputable brokers) would risk our businesses for a quick buck, You are crazy!

Now just to show that I love you Irish guys - I'm off for a large (actually very large) Jameson's!
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